Adventures in PTE/TTE
#621
what the actual ****? why should this come with a 100lb weight penalty? I guess this is convenient for me because i can stop considering doing a single nasa tt event, ever. wow, **** nasa straight in the ***.
I literally just got defacto banned because I'm tall. I'm pretty sure this counts as discrimination.
I literally just got defacto banned because I'm tall. I'm pretty sure this counts as discrimination.
#625
TT/PT isn't SM. It's a lot broader. I'm not really defending it (or not) but if it's a standard penalty assessed to any car cutting the floorboard, then meh, not much to complain about.
What my RD told me is that there have been cases where proper construction has stiffened the car up.
I'm just repeating what I've been told by someone I trust not to lie to me and hate my car. Maybe someone else with actual hands-on experience can confirm or deny.
robert
What my RD told me is that there have been cases where proper construction has stiffened the car up.
I'm just repeating what I've been told by someone I trust not to lie to me and hate my car. Maybe someone else with actual hands-on experience can confirm or deny.
robert
#627
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IOW, they care more about their bottom line ($$$) than about fair, competitive racing. I was eyeing some TT3 events with the turbo car, but apparently I had forgotten how much they hate us. This was a nice reminder.
#628
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To play devil's advocate, their bottom line is what keeps them alive and providing the so called "competition". It may be that they are focusing too much on it, but they do need to make money somehow.
#629
what the actual ****? why should this come with a 100lb weight penalty? I guess this is convenient for me because i can stop considering doing a single nasa tt event, ever. wow, **** nasa straight in the ***.
I literally just got defacto banned because I'm tall. I'm pretty sure this counts as discrimination.
I literally just got defacto banned because I'm tall. I'm pretty sure this counts as discrimination.
How tall are you?
#631
Aside from the fact that it is a totally illogical penalty- Tall drivers will be safer with their heads farther from cage tubes and with more clearance under the bar. I don't understand why they would force a competitor to chose between spending extra time/money on fabrication to be safer VS keeping the floor pan stock and not taking the 100lb penalty.
#632
Umm, if you have been running with that modification in the past then you were illegal for PT and TT... this was never allowed before. It seems that this bulletin is to allow Spec Miatas with this modification to be legal for PT, but I'll agree that the 100lbs penalty is unfair and is likely to discourage Miatas from doing this mod whose first priority is competing in PT and not SM.
7.3.2 Restrictions and Limitations for Production Vehicles Only
A) Other than the listed exceptions, every Production vehicle must retain its unmodified:
1) OEM frame rails/rear frame cross beam, and/or Unibody, and Sub-frames/
2) Strut/shock towers
3) Inner/inboard side of the fender wells (any non-horizontal aspect)
4) Rocker panels
5) Transmission tunnel
6) Floor pan
7) Windshield frame location
Exceptions:
The following are permitted exceptions to 7.3.2.A above:
5) The transmission tunnel may be modified for the purpose of installing a
competition driver seat. The floor pan must remain in its original position.
7.3.2 Restrictions and Limitations for Production Vehicles Only
A) Other than the listed exceptions, every Production vehicle must retain its unmodified:
1) OEM frame rails/rear frame cross beam, and/or Unibody, and Sub-frames/
2) Strut/shock towers
3) Inner/inboard side of the fender wells (any non-horizontal aspect)
4) Rocker panels
5) Transmission tunnel
6) Floor pan
7) Windshield frame location
Exceptions:
The following are permitted exceptions to 7.3.2.A above:
5) The transmission tunnel may be modified for the purpose of installing a
competition driver seat. The floor pan must remain in its original position.
#633
Plenty of us that are this height have added a patch panel to the trans tunnel. I spent a **** load having a pro add a patch to my trans tunnel and weld in the safest seat mounts you could think of. (save tying them back to a cage) There were no modifications to my floor board other then welding this patch panel in and removing the rear humps. I had this done by a pro because I was concerned about stressing the metal by banging on it with a hammer to get the clearance i need.
There is zero performance benefit to what I had done on my car. It is purely done from a safety standpoint. We all know that you cannot mount a seat to the floor in a miata without massaging the trans tunnel. None of us are truly modifying the floor boards. This essentially works as a targeted ban on people of a certain height in miatas.
If you're going to gang bang miatae in general, fine... bring it on. We'll still win. But as this stands, I am at a severe disadvantage compared to some one in the exact same car that is under 5'8". That, is discrimination against a very particular sub-sect of people. It is simply amateur rule making and if this were anything other then an elective rich mans sport, would be illegal.
Here's a car with similar seat mounts to mine.
So because I'm tall, and I don't feel like driving a car with cobbled together safety... I have to be defacto banned.
#634
@EErockMiata dude read the rules that I just posted above. Modifying the transmission tunnel for seat clearance is legal and does not carry a penalty. Your floorpan is still intact you don't have to add 100lbs.
#635
@EErockMiata dude read the rules that I just posted above. Modifying the transmission tunnel for seat clearance is legal and does not carry a penalty. Your floorpan is still intact you don't have to add 100lbs.
#637
Why, you haven't moved the floor pan. I am 6'2" and have raced 4 different NA Miatas over the last 8 years without needing to lower the floor pan. Sure it took some creative seat mounting and a properly designed cage but it is very doable. We had guy in our region who was 6'5" running a NB in SM before the floor pan allowance.
#638
No, those rules that I posted are still there. The new technical bulletin is if you modify and lower the floorpan in between the trans tunnel and the rocker panel. Trans tunnel modifications for the sole purpose of installing a seat are still good to go from what I understand.
#640
SM Build: Attempt at a Front Running Car for Under $15k all-in - Page 18 - Spec Miata Garage - Mazda Racers
Using Jason's SM build pictures because I can not find any others at the moment.