The shift to third. :rofl:
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Why do you never wear your shoulder harnesses? Your upper body is getting thrown around so much seems like they would help.
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We aren't allowed to use shoulder harnesses. We only have a two point lap belt.
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Is this an obscure SCCA rule I've never heard of or some weird local club rule? I've never been given any grief for running 5pts down at the local level.
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An open cockpit car cannont (and should not) use upper body restraints without GCR compliant rollover protection
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You got that thing moving quite well these days. Have you considered adding a roll cage? I know its additional weigh but with the speed and grip you got it kinda makes sense.
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Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 1526077)
An open cockpit car cannont (and should not) use upper body restraints without GCR compliant rollover protection
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Specialty race car built to a purpose. This is like asking why Indy cars don't have fenders.
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Here are a couple videos from the Z-Max national tour at the 4 wide drag strip in North Carolina. I got iced at the line on day one with my only chance at a clean run with any tire heat being the first car out after an unfortunate oil down of the entire course. I was a bit out of it mentally as I didn't know exactly where the oil dry was or how it would impact the car. I got out of shape on the entry into the slalom but recovered well enough to take home the 3rd podium spot in XP behind two multi time National Champions.
Day 1 Cockpit Day 1 Outside Day 2 Cockpit Day 2 Outside |
Just uploaded an external video of the car. It just seems to "jump" out of the slower elements now.
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Just uploaded a couple videos from Spring Nationals
Day 1 Day 2 |
God that must be wild.
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Y U No harness? I would think it would be much easier to control the car if you weren't hanging on to the steering wheel to keep from falling into the door or passenger seat, lol.
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Originally Posted by Wingman703
(Post 1526075)
Is this an obscure SCCA rule I've never heard of or some weird local club rule? I've never been given any grief for running 5pts down at the local level.
Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 1526077)
An open cockpit car cannont (and should not) use upper body restraints without GCR compliant rollover protection
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1536666)
Y U No harness? I would think it would be much easier to control the car if you weren't hanging on to the steering wheel to keep from falling into the door or passenger seat, lol.
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Originally Posted by Wingman703
(Post 1536674)
Your memory is short sixshooter.
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I think we were talking about how Superchargers are better than Turbos ;)
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So, this years Solo Nationals and the weeks leading up to it were a TOTAL cluster.
First, I broke ANOTHER crankshaft. So between the Oscoda Pro and Nationals I had to rebuild the motor and test it before leaving. Second, due to having no choice but to slap together a short block, I ran out of time to do all the usual Nationals prep. You know....things like getting the car aligned, corner balanced, nut and bolt everything....etc etc etc. Well. The good news is we got the motor in and made it to Nebraska. The bad news is...for the first time in 4 years we came home without either a Pro Solo or Solo Championship. After I got home I started reevaluating a lot of things about the car and about our operation. I have been spending too much time, energy and effort making the car accelerate and have neglected the brakes BIG TIME(using NA ABS and getting ice mode so often we are all 4 scared of the brakes) and not doing the simple things to improve handling. (When I got to nut and bolt the car after Nationals I found 3 of the subframe bolts finger tight...(that motivated me to finally put a NB subframe in this thing...going in this week) When we put the Keisler spindles on the car last winter we were pretty fast early on. Beating a multi time XP Champion by over a second at a national event made us think we had "guessed correctly" on the setup and we didn't test as much as we should have. We built a great tune up for Lincoln at Spring Nationals and when we got out there for Nationals the surface had changed DRAMATICALLY. Randall, Dad and I were reluctant to make big changes for fear of upsetting the car even more at the biggest race of the year. Finally on day 2 after the race was already lost we said effit and made some changes and the car was MUCH better. Morale of that story is we need to trust ourselves more in tuning the car. All in all it was a year that 5 years ago would have made us proud....but is just unacceptable now. Back to the basics, fixing some MAJOR ISSUES(BRAKES) and going to test test test for next year. Oh....and we are building a oil pan to valve cover spare motor so we don't get caught like this again. We will be back. #SECONDSUCKS |
Why are you breaking crankshafts?
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Originally Posted by patsmx5
(Post 1549732)
Why are you breaking crankshafts?
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1549733)
Because very many horse pressures and spinnings.
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"She Thinks my Tractor's Sexy"
I kinda like my 23 year old tractor motor though. |
I mean it has its pluses and minuses. I would be nice to drop 80lbs off the nose and stick a modern engine in there that was actually used in a pro racing series.
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Is it time for one of these bad boys? https://supermiata.com/Billet-Crank-Mazda-BP.aspx
Or a K swap?** **I am wildly unaware of classing rules and assume this is not class legal, tongue in cheek suggestion |
SSM allows it but with a weight penalty for engines from other manufacturers so probably not worth the hit there. Without knowing enough about them, I always figured that an MZR with the kind of money this BP has put into it, would be lighter and ultimately make more power.
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When I started this build the cross manufacturer engine swap was illegal and there was a meaningful "grey area" around the legality of some things related to the MZR.
At this point I can fix this new issue with the BP for significantly less money and effort that it would take to swap to a different platform and the last thing the car needs is more power. The sole reason for doing the swap would be the weight removal. And I am considering it, but it wont happen before 2021. |
Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 1549906)
When I started this build the cross manufacturer engine swap was illegal and there was a meaningful "grey area" around the legality of some things related to the MZR.
At this point I can fix this new issue with the BP for significantly less money and effort that it would take to swap to a different platform and the last thing the car needs is more power. The sole reason for doing the swap would be the weight removal. And I am considering it, but it wont happen before 2021. |
I'm also very strongly considering a move to a manual brake system with dual master cylinders.
The brakes in my car have been horribly inconsistent and I'm ready to make some BIG changes. I anyone have any real world experience with manual brakes on these car with ABS and big r comps? |
Sorry to be a bit off topic but do you know how big the difference is between an MZR and NB VVT short block ?
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Contact Emilio. He has the Tilton dual master in Vegas and should be able to tell you what he likes and the drawbacks we have encountered with it.
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Assume the manual dual master brakes would be in addition to Mk 60 as well? With the cams and general setup you have, does your engine even have enough vacuum to make a brake booster worthwhile?
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So I might be the biggest idiot in the history of idiots.
I was going over the brake system today and realized that when I re-plumbed my brake system like 3 seasons ago....I removed the "check valve" in the vacuum line "feeding" the booster. I've been fighting intermittent brake boost for about....ohhhhhh 3 seasons. I went to the back yard and cut the check valve out of the hose in that car...pushed it into the hose in my system....we will see next week if I notice a difference. #IFeelDumb |
Just relish in the fact it is a free upgrade!
How do you like your Bogart wheels? Thinking about getting a set and was curious on your thoughts. |
You might be looking at needing a replacement booster as well if that doesn't fix your issue completely, it probably is not a fan of getting slammed with lots of instant on/off boost for years.
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It never saw boost. It was plumed into the throttle body manifold before the rotor pack.
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If you still want to upgrade, MSM abs doesnt get ice mode (from billy it seems non msm 01+ still can) and msm booster + master has the least amount of boost/firmest pedal. That was my brake setup and it worked really well.
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I've actually already changed the ABS unit to something "non Miata" did that and tested at Bristol. It's the magic sauce.
I think I'm still going to go manual over the winter. |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1550890)
If you still want to upgrade, MSM abs doesnt get ice mode (from billy it seems non msm 01+ still can)
Unless you know some undocumented MSM secret ... |
Originally Posted by j_man
(Post 1551000)
MSM and non-MSM '01-'05 ABS is the exact same unit (Mazda part number NC78-43-780)
Unless you know some undocumented MSM secret ... |
I've also not gotten ice moded with the MSM unit in my car.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1551193)
Maybe I was always just lucky. But running similar setup with similar aged tires on the same course 1 car with known non-msm abs got ice mode and one with known msm abs didnt. Was the ABS like an ECU where the part numbers would be the same but it would need to be flashed by the dealer to your vin?
It was probably just driver's driving style (someone dancing right on the limit), suspension setup, etc. |
With the new ABS unit we picked up .23g in braking over the really ancient 1996 ABS.
Not sure what that would translate to in pickup over the new Miata units. You can feel the 4 channel setup move the car around under hard braking on course. It will take some getting used to, but it will be a massive upgrade over my "all ice mode all the time" old 3 channel setup. |
FWIW I've never hit "ice mode" with my '01 3 channel ABS while on track or at autocross. I've had the inside front releasing, and I've had the rears releasing, always as expected with ABS. There is no part number difference in the NB ABS units, there is no way to flash them, I can't see how MSM units could be any different than any other NB ABS unit. They are completely standalone from the ECU and the two do not interact in any way.
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First round of off season results were successful. First outing on the finalized new brakes and I think all went relatively well.
I'm off today for Columbus day and I'm starting the work to finally put a NB Subframe in this thing. We will see if it's really worth all the "hype" I felt like I drove relatively well but was very timid with the brakes on day 1. But was only 3 10ths off Randall on day two(raw 6ths clean). I still say this guy is WAY underrated and still doesn't get all the credit he deserves as a driver. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c8302582de.jpg |
Working through the off season and just got the new for 2020 Header. This this is almost too pretty to put under the car.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...be61b85972.jpg |
Wow, thats gnarly! What size are those primaries? Look like collector goes to 2.5" then steps up to 3", any reason you didn't go straight to 3" collector?
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The Primary tubes are 1 7/8"
And here is some information on the collector design. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/cams-carbs/ |
Originally Posted by Mobius
(Post 1551566)
FWIW I've never hit "ice mode" with my '01 3 channel ABS while on track or at autocross. I've had the inside front releasing, and I've had the rears releasing, always as expected with ABS. There is no part number difference in the NB ABS units, there is no way to flash them, I can't see how MSM units could be any different than any other NB ABS unit. They are completely standalone from the ECU and the two do not interact in any way.
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You're probably gonna want to turn the volume up for this one |
Any a-b data on the header?
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1551193)
Maybe I was always just lucky. But running similar setup with similar aged tires on the same course 1 car with known non-msm abs got ice mode and one with known msm abs didnt. Was the ABS like an ECU where the part numbers would be the same but it would need to be flashed by the dealer to your vin?
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Haven't posted here in a while.
We had another successful year. Won both the XP and SSM National championships. Not really sure what the next steps or next direction for the car is. Full XP seems intriguing but I like the car being a real street car. Seriously considering going away from the Torsen diff this winter. After breaking the 3rd crankshaft I'm finally going billet, it should be here in about 8 weeks. Other than that...not sure what to do to make the car faster. Open to ideas at this point. |
Damn you won xp in an ssm car?! Congratulations man.
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Nice work on the results :bigtu:
Ref the diff, I was very pleased when I moved from a Torsen to a 1.5way clutch type (3J Driveline, made here in the UK, similar to Kaaz). Don't have any back to back timing data but subjectively traction and predictability out of low and medium speed corners felt far better. I felt my old Torsen had an initial 'lurch' to it as it started working whereas the plate style, locking harder as soon as acceleration was applied through the diff, acted quicker and more seamlessly. How are the cranks breaking? Do you think it is a harmonics thing from high rpm / power or the drive requirement for the supercharger? |
Congratulations!
Are you at SSM minimum weight? Is the engine significantly lowered or set back? If it does not have drop spindles, in theory at least making a set would allow you to lower the wheel rate while maintaining roll stiffness. Which it would in turn increase mechanical grip. Overall, the car is obviously very sorted. The first things that come to mind are further mass centralization and reaching the minimum weight if you aren't already. |
Congratulations, I saw this earlier this week looking through the results. Very impressive.
Your car is an inspiration to me. This winter I’m going from DP to XP via an Ubercharger. |
Thanks man. I appreciate it. I included my answers below.
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1608895)
Congratulations!
Are you at SSM minimum weight? - *** Our minimum is 2070 and we are 2112. With the variance in the scales, that is about as close as I would like to get. We have moved weight around, but I am still nose heavy. I could go to a newer aluminum block motor, but from what I have seen, the weight reduction isn't as meaningful as I had hoped, and I'd be starting over with my development program(With the latest revisions to the blower inlet, we are now making way more power than we need). I feel pretty married to the BP at this point. I have composite fenders, hood, roof and trunk. The splitter is carbon kevlar. I could rebuild the nose, rear bumper cover and wing in composite and save a little more weight(~ 10 lbs) and I could ditch the SFI bellhousing for an aluminum piece off an automatic trans (8 lbs). The crank Joe is building me is supposed to be 8 to 10 lbs lighter than the stock one and I am considering going with a light clutch setup this year. I'm currently running the ACT stuff. Those things would get me down hand grenade close to minium, but cost a TON. Is the engine significantly lowered or set back? - *** It is. The motor mounts are small pucks of machined aluminum. It sits as low as I could get it on the stock subframe. It is setback as far as I could get it without modifying the firewall. (Funny story, I had never told anyone this and Bundy picked it out the very first time he looked at my car in person.) If it does not have drop spindles, in theory at least making a set would allow you to lower the wheel rate while maintaining roll stiffness. Which it would in turn increase mechanical grip. - **** I'm using the latest Keisler spindles front and rear. I have custom control arms in the front upper and rear lower and upper. I have yet to find anything that works better than the stock front lowers (and I have tried about 6 or 7 different types). Due to these spindles, we are about 200+lbs/inch softer than most everyone else running a Miata on 275s Overall, the car is obviously very sorted. The first things that come to mind are further mass centralization and reaching the minimum weight if you aren't already. |
Originally Posted by Tchaps
(Post 1608894)
Nice work on the results :bigtu:
Ref the diff, I was very pleased when I moved from a Torsen to a 1.5way clutch type (3J Driveline, made here in the UK, similar to Kaaz). Don't have any back to back timing data but subjectively traction and predictability out of low and medium speed corners felt far better. I felt my old Torsen had an initial 'lurch' to it as it started working whereas the plate style, locking harder as soon as acceleration was applied through the diff, acted quicker and more seamlessly. How are the cranks breaking? Do you think it is a harmonics thing from high rpm / power or the drive requirement for the supercharger? The supercharger is breaking the snouts off them. The one Joe is building has a longer and larger diameter snout. |
Eric I think you're underestimating how much weight the MZR saves on the nose. Especially if you do the lighter 2.0 bottom end with a 2.5 head. Remember my car was close to the same weight you are now (I was either side of the turbo 2.5L weight limit depending on which wheels I used) with way way less effort put into pulling weight after the swap and I was under far enough under 51% nose weight that if we started weighing in ssm with driver that I'd violate the 51% rear weight limit. So I wouldnt completely discount it, I think you'd have to do a custom bellhousing or go to a T5 trans though since there's no T10 to MZR/Duratec off the bellhousings that I know of, at least you'd get the exhaust to the side away from the shift linkage. Unfortunately you do have to move the steering rack forward which will move flip the car from having positive to negative akerman (or is it the other way around?), which there's the case to be made at auto-x speed and steering angles is actually beneficial, or at worst just a wash.
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Originally Posted by ConeCrasher
(Post 1608904)
Congratulations, I saw this earlier this week looking through the results. Very impressive.
Your car is an inspiration to me. This winter I’m going from DP to XP via an Ubercharger. |
Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 1608891)
Haven't posted here in a while.
We had another successful year. Won both the XP and SSM National championships. Not really sure what the next steps or next direction for the car is. Full XP seems intriguing but I like the car being a real street car. Seriously considering going away from the Torsen diff this winter. After breaking the 3rd crankshaft I'm finally going billet, it should be here in about 8 weeks. Other than that...not sure what to do to make the car faster. Open to ideas at this point. |
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