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Old 04-18-2013, 04:46 PM   #21
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Tried the ST43s a few years ago. Lots of rotor wear and the dust is highly corrosive.

The HT10 is nothing like a DTC60 - the DTCs are much easier to modulate. I never feel like the DTC60s are too grabby anywhere.


thinK I might give the DTC 60 a try, can I drive these pads to and from the tracK or are they going to kill my rotors?
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thinK I might give the DTC 60 a try, can I drive these pads to and from the tracK or are they going to kill my rotors?
I wouldn't DD them, but you can get them back and forth to the track without a problem.
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no it does not work like that. it could in some cases but just because it works he higher temp does not automatically mean it will be more easy to lock up.


I would rather deal with a little fade then destroy a set of race tires when they get flat spotted down to the cord.


and who said anything about locking up the rears? I'm talking about locking up in general, but more concerned with locking up the front obviously.
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dt-60 is a pretty aggressive pad for a miata and I'm worried about lock up with suck a strong pad. I have a goodwin racing 4 corner big brake kit
And I suggested that you can probably live with learning to modulate new pads because somebody in the OP said something, let me see here...

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I used porterfield in the rear and hawk up front but I dont remember which ones. this combination would start to fade so I need to go up a level.


carbotech? cobalt friction? what should I try?
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thinK I might give the DTC 60 a try, can I drive these pads to and from the tracK or are they going to kill my rotors?
Stop being such a ******* *****.
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Tried the ST43s a few years ago. Lots of rotor wear and the dust is highly corrosive.

The HT10 is nothing like a DTC60 - the DTCs are much easier to modulate. I never feel like the DTC60s are too grabby anywhere.
Fuuuuuck. Corrosive pad dust pisses me off more than just about anything race car related. Might offload these while they're still new and try the DTC60 instead.
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Stop being such a ******* *****.
yeah this comes from a guy that could not handle a turbo. Ive seen your in car video, you got no right to make fun of anyone for anything.
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yeah this comes from a guy that could not handle a turbo. Ive seen your in car video, you got no right to make fun of anyone for anything.
Lol no really stop being a *****. Ive been running DTC60s on the street for months (too lazy to switch for the track/street). I dont DD the car
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dt-60 is a pretty aggressive pad for a miata and I'm worried about lock up with suck a strong pad. I have a goodwin racing 4 corner big brake kit
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yeah this comes from a guy that could not handle a turbo. Ive seen your in car video, you got no right to make fun of anyone for anything.
Maybe you should loosen up the strap on you ***** and learn to brake a car with high friction pads like a man, then come back and talk ****. You can look to my vids for pointers.
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Curly, The HP+ pads faded as soon as I added the turbo. I ended up with Hawk Blue because I was getting them used from a spec Miata garage that was often changing them before they were at 50%. Did I mention that my goal is to have as much fun as I can as cheaply as I can? I didn't have any problem with fade until I turned up the boost a little more. And they didn't actually fade much, just slightly longer stopping distances and rotor discoloration/micro-cracking. I've gone from 10in to 11in rotors now and the feel has improved in my one track day since, but the real test will be the next time I go to Sebring because it is tough on brakes.

I occasionally drive on the street with the Blues. They stop fine cold, dust less than HP+, and squeak some. They are also easy to modulate. That said, I'm looking forward to trying DTC60s one day to see how they differ.
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HP+ are the more aggressive ones, right? I can never remember. They've been great to me, I haven't been tracking them enough to tell you honestly. But with cooling ducts and my light car, I hope they'll survive the two heavy braking zones at my local track. The other local track I visit (ORP) is very easy on brakes. I'm sure some cobalts are in my future though.
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HP+ are the more aggressive ones, right? I can never remember. They've been great to me, I haven't been tracking them enough to tell you honestly. But with cooling ducts and my light car, I hope they'll survive the two heavy braking zones at my local track. The other local track I visit (ORP) is very easy on brakes. I'm sure some cobalts are in my future though.
Blues are more aggressive.

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Lol no really stop being a *****. Ive been running DTC60s on the street for months (too lazy to switch for the track/street). I dont DD the car
How's the rotor wear/dust? Any hard-to-remove deposits on the wheels after rain, for instance?

DTC-60s are not at all hard to modulate, guys. BTDT
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How's the rotor wear/dust? Any hard-to-remove deposits on the wheels after rain, for instance?

DTC-60s are not at all hard to modulate, guys. BTDT
They do dust a lot. I cant really comment much on rotor wear, I usually replace them with the pads but there is a tiny lip on them currently. There are some hard to remove deposits but my wheels are black so I dont make much of an effort to clean them
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I have been running cobalt friction XR2s F and XR3s R on 949 11" Wilwoods F & Sport R and can't imagine wanting anything more. The modulation is fantastic and stopping power is equivalent to a friends GT3 with PCCB's. The only beef I have with the CF pads is availability. It took 4 weeks to receive my fronts and 6 weeks for the rears. If one of the reputable Miata tuners starts carrying these things they will become the new hot pad to have.

After 5 track days they still look new with no detectable rotor wear. Color me impressed!
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Switching from Carbotech to Cobalt XR2/4 combination right now. Will report back in a couple weeks after my first time out on them.

+1 about availability. Rears shipped in a couple weeks, fronts took 2 months...

Although, I think the Spec Miata setup (XR3/5) is typically stocked by distributors more often.
Look up Adrenaline Racing. Full service race garage in Oregon that usually stocks a large selection of Cobalt Friction. ~20% of their business is strictly Miata street/track.

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Ask for Don or Eddie. Tell them Nile sent you.

Cobalt is all I use. No reason to look elsewhere at the moment.
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Look up Adrenaline Racing. Full service race garage in Oregon that usually stocks a large selection of Cobalt Friction. ~20% of their business is strictly Miata street/track.

503 697 3311

Ask for Don or Eddie. Tell them Nile sent you.

Cobalt is all I use. No reason to look elsewhere at the moment.
That's who I went through. Don was great to work with but they don't stock what I need.
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+1 to reply above. Dealt with Don in the whole process. Ordered during a GB, took a few weeks for the rears and had a delay on the fronts. 2 months later I got them.

Not a knock on Don or Adrenaline Racing but just didn't work out the way I thought it was going to. Just a product of a very niche industry.
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Dammit! Why can't we get vendors to stock pads for our gay cars with oversized non-stock brakes ??
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Dammit! Why can't we get vendors to stock pads for our gay cars with oversized non-stock brakes ??
They do just not Cobalts. 949 has a great inventory of Carbotech and Trackspeed has lots of Hawks.

If these Cobalts caught on maybe one of the better vendors (hint Trackspeed or 949) may be willing to fork out the money needed to stock em. Honestly it does not make great business sense given the margins to have so much money tied up in brake pads. When you consider the various fitments and compounds that's a ton of money.
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That's who I went through. Don was great to work with but they don't stock what I need.
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+1 to reply above. Dealt with Don in the whole process. Ordered during a GB, took a few weeks for the rears and had a delay on the fronts. 2 months later I got them.

Not a knock on Don or Adrenaline Racing but just didn't work out the way I thought it was going to. Just a product of a very niche industry.
Ah good to hear. They usually stock what I need XR3/5 SM optimized. Occasionally I've had to wait a few weeks for a set but I just try to plan ahead for when I'll need pads.

Glad to see some more folks in the Miata community giving Cobalt Friction a try.
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My big issue with the Cobalts is that they are expensive. They would have to be dramatically better than the Hawks we currently use/sell to justify the additional cost.
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