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Old 04-21-2013, 03:31 AM   #41
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949 has a great inventory of Carbotech
If they did you'd think I'd have mine by now, been almost a month. Two emails, no replies, maybe I should have purchased from Sav.
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well I can tell you one thing, I wont be buying anything from EBC. my first race pad in 2000 about one session.
im with you on that one... they are supposedly a reputable company, but i have had 3 pads break off the back plate.... 2 on the track, and one street driving. maybe i just brake hard as ****... lol

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My big issue with the Cobalts is that they are expensive. They would have to be dramatically better than the Hawks we currently use/sell to justify the additional cost.
It's gonna take someone like you that logs in lots of track days with DTC's to evaluate initial bite, modulation, life and rotor wear on the Cobalts. The last one may not be a big issue for you but customers with expensive rotors like Goodwin V4 will want that info.

On the other hand I am willing to try the DTC 60 the next time around. Based on my current wear and having another set of front XR2's on hand that wont happen till at least next year.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:55 PM   #44
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just ordered a set of the dtc 60, they are pretty inexpensive so why not try them. Ive been pleased with hawk race pads on other track cars but I always changed the pads at the track and I'm trying to not do that for now, since I'm only running NT01 tires.


the carbotech and the colbalts are not that expensive, just way more expensive than the hawk. you want expensive pads go check out the padgids, around 300 bucks.


thanks for all the helpful info, I post up my opinions in a few weeks.
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If they did you'd think I'd have mine by now, been almost a month. Two emails, no replies, maybe I should have purchased from Sav.
Emilio emailed... all is right with the world. Carry on...
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Emilio emailed... all is right with the world. Carry on...
well whats the deal with the pads? I was thinking about ordering a set just for comparison but I'm not going to bother if it is going to take months to get them
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^Beginning of the season rush?

When I ordered mine June-ish last year my XP10/8 combo and rotors showed up the next week.

I've been very happy with my limited time on them (3 day - 15 sessions).
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So from my rough numbers the Cobalt setup I just bought runs about $100 more total than the equivalent DTC-60's all around. This is on 1.8 Non-Sport brakes. Going to try out the DTC's on the next round and compare all three discussed, have ran Carbotech's previoius.

Also interested to see how the life of the pad compares between the DTC/XR/XP.
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I have EBC yellows on the front of 3 cars and haven't had an issue. The TA has been a weekend driver with EBC yellows for about 5 years.
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I've run pfc97 and dtc 60, this is on stock 1.6 brakes so they probably overheat. but between the two, I like the pfc more. personal preference, I liked the bite and modulation more.

I have a set of xp12 for the next track day to try out
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well whats the deal with the pads? I was thinking about ordering a set just for comparison but I'm not going to bother if it is going to take months to get them
Was a communication mixup between 949 and CT... Emilio fixed it and refunded my shipping due to the wait which was quite nice of him.

You shouldn't have an issue.
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DTC-60s!
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When using stock calipers, any difference in pad taper between the different brands/compounds? I was getting some taper on the XP10's but not too bad.
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I was also getting pad taper on the stock front calipers. I also used Carbotech XP10s. It is my understanding that pad taper is common when you abuse the stock calipers regardless of which pads are used.
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I would imagine that pad taper, which is due to caliper flex, would be less on a high torque pad that required less pedal effort. Low torque pads would require significantly more pressure to slow the car and would be more likely to flex the caliper.
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I would imagine that pad taper, which is due to caliper flex, would be less on a high torque pad that required less pedal effort. Low torque pads would require significantly more pressure to slow the car and would be more likely to flex the caliper.
I wonder if heat has a significant effect on this though.
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I would imagine that pad taper, which is due to caliper flex, would be less on a high torque pad that required less pedal effort. Low torque pads would require significantly more pressure to slow the car and would be more likely to flex the caliper.
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When using stock calipers, any difference in pad taper between the different brands/compounds? I was getting some taper on the XP10's but not too bad.
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I wonder if heat has a significant effect on this though.
What an awesome segue in to my question:



Factory NA8 calipers, Centric rotors, Carbotech AX6 pads, TSE ducting, RBF600 fluid.

I've done a number of "fast autocross / mini road course" events and four days at Roebling on these pads and rotors. I noticed some heat spots on the rotors after the most recent track day and decided to pull the pads out to measure. Zero cracks in the rotors, just the spotting.

Pad thickness (not including the 5mm backing) for the left front corner

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Inner pad
6.0mm   6.0mm
6.0mm   6.0mm
Below is a picture of the outer pad for the same left front corner, with the pad thickness measurements overlaid.




That leads me to the question of whether to buy some DTC-60s and new rotors or to just step up to something like the 949 Wilwood 11" kit (or Relte's Mini / Wilwood setup)?

TSE Big Boy Pants Brake kit is not an option.
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