Damn... I got excited thinking these might be an affordable alternative to the Schroth Enduro belts. Nope... a little cheaper, but still $500. I also want adjusters built into the cam lock, but not that bad.

I liked the look of the 806... but if the 808 has 3" straps I might have to look into it. These seem to have easy adjustment options. That is what I am going to be looking for when I install a new setup for my passenger seat. I purchased the car with only one 6pt harness.

Is there a list out there of what seats have mounts at the shoulders? The only ones I found are a $3k Racetech and a $2k Racetech.

Safecraft,
Very nice harness. Only SFI rated, but they will rebelt them once.

I think the OMPs are worth the extra $25 to get the FIA cert.

Racetechs are the only ones that come with the back bracing. all others would need to be modified.

Question from someone that has not done a track day yet, but is prepping a car to be a DD / once or twice a track day toy:

I was offered a set (as in, for one seat) of Willans 6 point harnesses for 100 bucks, basically brand new, just out of date. Used once or twice. They are for a Formula Continental however, so the shoulder straps are not long enough to wrap around my harness bar. The guy offering to sell them to me said we could just weld tabs to the harness bar or drill a hole and put a bolt through it, as many cars with rollcages do, and as is required when racing FC.

My question: Is there any reason not to?

(I'm also aware local track days will require me to buy another set for the instructor. So as far as aesthetics go, that would lock me in to another similar set)

I'd recommend keeping oem seat+seatbelt+airbag as a streetable safety system until you get serious about track action.

There are ALWAYS expired harnesses available. You're not passing on some great deal here.

The main issue currently is, I have a badly torn, tan, leather driver's seat that needs to be replaced. I have had a hard time finding a replacement seat for <$250 (And justifying more than $100 or so on it anyway), and have found a few other seats I've been looking at that are in that price range. And if I am to switch away from a stock seat, I would be less likely to continue driving with stock belts.

But, maybe just forking up the cash for a replacement stock seat is the way to go for the time being.

the only way i would buy used harness if it was out of a passenger seat. once there is a crash the fabric is stretched, and the harness is no longer safe. it might look OK but it needs to be replaced. In your situation a set of harnesses can last a long time, because you have no expiration date. so it is reasonable to use and out of date harness. to use an out of date and used harness i wouldnt pay more than 20 bucks. Unless it was Michael Schumacher's. then i would raise the value a little, as it would be a nice talking point hanging in my garage.

I would pass on this particular williams. If the harness is OK It seems there is allot of fabrication needed to be able to use it. for the price of the willams+materials+time you could be money ahead and buy a new G force.

SPARCO F200 SEAT
have you looked into a new Sparco F200 seat? it's reasonably priced and does fit into a full interior miata.

Thats a stretch. Out of date Sabelts from club racers who havent even though of going M2M are a dime a dozen at $50/each. Belts age out because UV radiation degrades the nylon webbing. On the converse, you drive a car thats a 20 year old drop top that has had way more sun radiating on the stock belts than some tin top club racer that's kept in a garage and brought to events in an enclosed trailer. You should be able to tell if a local club racer is <s>accident</s> racing incident prone or not, I mean as long as the belts are from a spec pinata you're probably fine.

This is a guy I personally know, and have crewed for in the past, so I know the history of them for sure. They are used, but they are imaculate. Used in two races, and kept indoors in an air-conditioned garage the rest of their life. Not faded in the slightest. Drilling two holes or welding two tabs isn't exactly a lot of work or time, and could be done in 15 minutes. Not arguing, just explaining my view point. If I am getting harnesses, and don't need an in-date tag, being able to get some nicer Willans belts seems ideal.

I haven't looked into this seat, but will. Main issue is I like trying a seat before I buy it, and I haven't heard of anyone locally using these. The last sparcos I looked at buying fit me very poorly when I actually went to try them out.

Everyone's ass is different. the fastest way to try out seats is to go to a nasa,scca, race. way more selection than any store can offer. Plus you can get reviews on the spot.

I see you're in SC. i'll be up at road atlanta this weekend for the SCCA race. come on by. I'll be the guy in the sparco hat and OG racing t-shirt. my work cell is 770-880-7579 text me up and i can walk you to some local racers.

I can't make it to Road Atlanta this weekend as I have other things going on, but I'll be there for the NASA HPDE (working, not driving) in August, and will try to hop in a lot of seats then. I appreciate the offer though.

Any of you gays ever sit/try a Recaro Speed 5pt? This would be for my daily NB that will see occasion track time - at least until the EFR build is done. I can get a pair shipped to my door for $1425, which I think it's a pretty dam good deal.

Those don't have a sub belt opening and also aren't fixed back. They also look like a bitch to fit.

If your looking for a track/street seat check out the opm STYLE. or Sparco sprint seats. both can use a a 5-6 point harness and are reasonably priced.

Is the OMP Style really comparable to a Sparco Sprint?

I mean, even the name. Style. Something that's 'racing style' makes me think it is of no use in a racing environment.

His seat reply wasn't intended for a car that's a track beast. I've got an OMP HTE for the track car - but I'm getting old and cranky - the last thing I want is to have to roll out of my dam daily because it's a fixed back "racing" seat.
The Speed 5 (different from the S) does have a sub hole for your nut strap - hence the 5 as it's 5pt ready.
I just want something that doesn't look like it came out of a space ship, doesn't give me kidney failure or hemorrhoids, and can generally keep me in the seat if/when I do take it on the track.