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Old 11-30-2011, 11:27 PM   #1
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Dude! I was checking out the results from TWS this last weekend and saw this. From the NASA Forum...

Season Champions were also decided, here are the top 3 per class

TTS - 16 total
1st - Mitch Kramer (674 points)
2nd - John Roberts (515 points) ZX-Tex
3rd - Lajos Minik (470 points)

TTB - 18 total
1st - Ken Orgeron (600 points)
2nd - Trey Rozelle (472 points) Hustler
3rd - Rich Soule (335 points)

TTC - 5 total
1st - Norman Wilhelm (700 points)
2nd - Eric Foss (200 points)
2nd - Jake Groves (200 points) Jacob300ZX


see http://nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=50974
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Also worth mentioning is that the SM leaders in Sunday's afternoon race were running in the 2:01 range with the fastest being a 2:01.3 set by Trevor McCallion. Those who set times considerably faster than this, you know who you are. For example, Spoolin's top time was almost 7 seconds under the top Spec Miata times, and mine at about 5 seconds under.
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Cool. Hopefully that cheating son of a bitch KenO get's put in TTA.
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lol, I forgot I even ran TTC
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Cool. Hopefully that cheating son of a bitch KenO get's put in TTA.
What kind of car and how's he cheating?

E36 M3?

How far off this guy are you?
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What kind of car and how's he cheating?

E36 M3?

How far off this guy are you?
TTB E46 M3 which weighs <3100lb and makes 330whp, 285 Hoosier R6, and not 4 second faster driver than me at Hallett, 8 seconds faster at MSR-C, nor is he a 5 second faster driver at ECR. He typically turns a time in TTB that wins TTA. Its a little strange because at 245whp, he put bus-lengths on me at TWS and TTB has a 10hp/1lb limit for a reason. I'm competitive and faster than the E92 M3s, C5Zs, most S197s, and the Evos in TTB (according to the standings), but he's crushing the field by 10-seconds. TTB was a lot of fun this year because I was in a pack of E92s and it was a hard fought 2nd place most weekends.
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A friend of mine has an E46 328IS and it is ******* fast on the track. Those era BMW's are quick cars. I can see your frustration....
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Trey is so slow.


I hope you all are rocking mt.net decals. If not, you should. We'll even do large and/or one offs for you guys.
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Only on my helmet. I just remembered that Rick was going to make some for me earlier this year and I totally forgot about it. I need to get a few. MT.net should wrap the van that I hope to buy in the near future.
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We are pretty much out of all the decals. Rick wants me to make something new for 2012.

But I want our racers to have baller **** and represent.
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The racers should have separate stickers
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yeah, that's what i was thinking. i want them to represent for reals. -- we can go pretty extreme of tame, custom, one off, huge small, homo, kitty, etc.
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TTB E46 M3 which weighs <3100lb and makes 330whp, 285 Hoosier R6.
This does not sound like a B car to me...
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So E46 M3 is PTC** @ 3415lbs.

If what you say is correct then:

** = 14
R6 = 10
+30mm tire = 7 (TTC base tire size is 255)
-290 lbs = 20

So that's 51 points right there, already an 12 points into an A car and that's with a completely stock suspension, intake, exhaust, etc.

Max RWHP if he's running at 3125lbs is 304. Has he ever been dyno'd?

Does anyone in Texas care about enforcing the rules in TT? Have you ever seen/asked for his classification sheet?

I finished third in PTB at the Nasa Nationals and I can tell you the tech inspection was very lax...and that was for a podium finish at the championship race.

Our PTB/TTB car dyno'd at 265whp and we run at ~3175lbs. I wish we could get another 40whp but we're already at the limit of the points. Eitherway our TTB/PTB car is properly quick (won PTB last year, third this year but I was fastest in the dry) for being a fail wheel drive luxury boat.
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I've been to the dyno with him and I know he's not in a dyno reclass, I'd love for him to roll onto the dyno at the track some time. He may be 3300 with driver. Here are the mods I know he runs:
Cobb tuned on 93 octane
pulleys
carbon intake thing
light exhaust
275 Hoosier R6
AST 5100
camber plates
sway bars
the biggest Stoptech's you've seen in your life

I heard he had a really tough time in tech over engine mods and tire size at nationals.
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So E46 M3 is PTC** @ 3415lbs.

If what you say is correct then:

** = 14
R6 = 10
+30mm tire = 7 (TTC base tire size is 255)
-290 lbs = 20

So that's 51 points right there, already an 12 points into an A car and that's with a completely stock suspension, intake, exhaust, etc.

Max RWHP if he's running at 3125lbs is 304. Has he ever been dyno'd?

Does anyone in Texas care about enforcing the rules in TT? Have you ever seen/asked for his classification sheet?

I finished third in PTB at the Nasa Nationals and I can tell you the tech inspection was very lax...and that was for a podium finish at the championship race.

Our PTB/TTB car dyno'd at 265whp and we run at ~3175lbs. I wish we could get another 40whp but we're already at the limit of the points. Eitherway our TTB/PTB car is properly quick (won PTB last year, third this year but I was fastest in the dry) for being a fail wheel drive luxury boat.
i didn't care about TT this year, just wanted to do my best in TxMC. But yes, a couple of us added up his points and he should be over. i think he runs 265 hoosiers in ttb though. we also found his posts on bimmer forums where he talks about the power he made with a reflash and all the bolts-on (he has the entire turner or bimmer world bolt-on catalog thrown on his car) and posts dyno sheets, but never talks about actual peak numbers. only what he made over last tune or stock. someone even asked about that and he alluded to keeping it secret due to classing. i think his official dyno sheet was 301whp. i overheard him mention to someone halfway thru the year that his epic tune made 27whp more than previous. I've been running TTA this year because i think i may be under weight by about 10lbs. if i run less than half a tank of gas. i should be in ttb. i think the issue is we have to be on hoosiers. In april ken ran 1:56.3 which i think is ttb lap record while i was again stuck on 2:00.0 again on 1yr old nt-01's. Last weekend on ttb boost/power i ran a 1:55.6 on 2 new R6's and 2 with 2 heat cycles so i think we could be compeitive but didn't have the right tires or pushing hard enough.
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brain, i will rock the decals if i can get some. i'll even sign up as a supporter. if you can print some small ones i can give them out to all TxMC competitors at the events. Actually, i'll pm you soon, i've got some other ideas to bounce off you as well.
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I run the e46 M3 in TX NASA TT.

NASA TX does care about the rules.

My car is TTB legal with 39 points my sheet is on file if you would like to see it just ask. Mod points are, ** +14, 275mm R6 +14, intake +1, pulleys +1, exhaust +2, AST 4200 +3, springs +2, brakes +2, total 39 points. Plus the free mods, camber plates, bushings, etc. The car is built to the top of the class.

Power to weight is legal. I am happy to dyno my car at any event/track.

I never had any issues at TT Nationals with tires or engine mods.

I usually run on new or fairly new 275mm Hoosiers R6. Fresh tires make a difference as mentioned in this thread by spoolin2bars.

I am at a track or autocross event almost every weekend, practice, practice, practice. My M3 has had 48K miles on it in 3 years and I don't daily drive it.

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Disregard.

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