NASA Texas Time Trials Season Results
#42
Be glad your in an area with NASA... around here SCCA is the only game in town, which means I'm in SSM for TT's; an essentially open class. Its a god damn arms race. I'm classed with GT3-RS's, ZR-1's, Vipers, practically anything with two seats and doors is fair game. The only reason I win is due to lack of serious competition, lol.
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Also note that the point system gives you the freedom to do whatever the ---- you want, not necessarily the freedom to have whatever the ---- you want be a WINNING setup. The point system may very well work out to allow winning, but your particular choice of point spending isn't the right combination.
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My point is that winning requires spending money. Any front-running car is most likely doing so on new or very fresh tires, good ($$$) brake pads, good power ($$$) and spend a lot of time ($$$) on track/test days getting the car setup right. If you're constrained by a budget, no big deal (I am a low-budget master myself), but don't expect to win the season championship in a competitive class.
Also note that the point system gives you the freedom to do whatever the ---- you want, not necessarily the freedom to have whatever the ---- you want be a WINNING setup. The point system may very well work out to allow winning, but your particular choice of point spending isn't the right combination.
Also note that the point system gives you the freedom to do whatever the ---- you want, not necessarily the freedom to have whatever the ---- you want be a WINNING setup. The point system may very well work out to allow winning, but your particular choice of point spending isn't the right combination.
#47
Why do you keep saying 1200 every other weekend? I already explained how you do it for 1200 a season. Drive to, from, and practice on nittos, bolt on hoho's for last 2 sessions per event. By the last event if you run 5, you'll have 10 or less sessions on them. Still in good shape at that point, sell'em, buy a new set for the next season using some cash from old set. Your still not gonna beat ken, but you'll be that much closer. Even if you bought the wing, splitter, and giken, you won't be any faster than if you just bought the tires, which would be way cheaper. Plus, your forgetting about the most important thing of all. Seat time. Not being a dick but your driving is holding you back. None of us here are where we should be, or want to be, but I'd almost put money that if you had the giken, splitter, wing, and hoho's, you'd still would have a hard time beating me, let alone ken-o. Stop trying to throw money at your car to go faster and get seat time. Maybe go in on a coach for an open track day or something. Besides driving, sometimes they can help with setup also. You probably have seconds in your car as is. I know I would love to get some high level instruction, maybe get saini to drive my car and give me some feedback. Lol
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Why do you keep saying 1200 every other weekend? I already explained how you do it for 1200 a season. Drive to, from, and practice on nittos, bolt on hoho's for last 2 sessions per event. By the last event if you run 5, you'll have 10 or less sessions on them. Still in good shape at that point, sell'em, buy a new set for the next season using some cash from old set. Your still not gonna beat ken, but you'll be that much closer. Even if you bought the wing, splitter, and giken, you won't be any faster than if you just bought the tires, which would be way cheaper. Plus, your forgetting about the most important thing of all. Seat time. Not being a dick but your driving is holding you back. None of us here are where we should be, or want to be, but I'd almost put money that if you had the giken, splitter, wing, and hoho's, you'd still would have a hard time beating me, let alone ken-o. Stop trying to throw money at your car to go faster and get seat time. Maybe go in on a coach for an open track day or something. Besides driving, sometimes they can help with setup also. You probably have seconds in your car as is. I know I would love to get some high level instruction, maybe get saini to drive my car and give me some feedback. Lol
#49
I run the e46 M3 in TX NASA TT.
NASA TX does care about the rules.
My car is TTB legal with 39 points my sheet is on file if you would like to see it just ask. Mod points are, ** +14, 275mm R6 +14, intake +1, pulleys +1, exhaust +2, AST 4200 +3, springs +2, brakes +2, total 39 points. Plus the free mods, camber plates, bushings, etc. The car is built to the top of the class.
Power to weight is legal. I am happy to dyno my car at any event/track.
I never had any issues at TT Nationals with tires or engine mods.
I usually run on new or fairly new 275mm Hoosiers R6. Fresh tires make a difference as mentioned in this thread by spoolin2bars.
I am at a track or autocross event almost every weekend, practice, practice, practice. My M3 has had 48K miles on it in 3 years and I don't daily drive it.
NASA TX does care about the rules.
My car is TTB legal with 39 points my sheet is on file if you would like to see it just ask. Mod points are, ** +14, 275mm R6 +14, intake +1, pulleys +1, exhaust +2, AST 4200 +3, springs +2, brakes +2, total 39 points. Plus the free mods, camber plates, bushings, etc. The car is built to the top of the class.
Power to weight is legal. I am happy to dyno my car at any event/track.
I never had any issues at TT Nationals with tires or engine mods.
I usually run on new or fairly new 275mm Hoosiers R6. Fresh tires make a difference as mentioned in this thread by spoolin2bars.
I am at a track or autocross event almost every weekend, practice, practice, practice. My M3 has had 48K miles on it in 3 years and I don't daily drive it.
So your running @ 3400lbs? Jeez, I thought our PTB/TTB car was heavy...
Is the car caged?
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So I can run 175whp in TTC, 210whp in TTB, or 211-279whp in TTS in my 2430lb car. Of course, these are Dynojet numbers too. I guess this is the nice way of NASA telling me to buy a Mustang, BMW, or Corvette.
Is this right? This means 949's orange car would be in TTA considering lb/hp.
Is this right? This means 949's orange car would be in TTA considering lb/hp.
#53
So I can run 175whp in TTC, 210whp in TTB, or 211-279whp in TTS in my 2430lb car. Of course, these are Dynojet numbers too. I guess this is the nice way of NASA telling me to buy a Mustang, BMW, or Corvette.
Is this right? This means 949's orange car would be in TTA considering lb/hp.
Is this right? This means 949's orange car would be in TTA considering lb/hp.
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^ Pretty much - the reclass is a joke, GG gives you your new base class with max whp, but then you have to take mod points from there. At 236rwhp, GG reclassed me in TTB**; with aero, LSD, suspension, and tires - I was at the very top of TTA - right with the vettes.
TTS/R/U is pretty much a straight hp:wt ratio, but you still take points for some things, like tires
TTS/R/U is pretty much a straight hp:wt ratio, but you still take points for some things, like tires
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Because Greg Greenbaum says 210whp is my limit and that he will not base-class a Miata in TTA. By doing this he's basically giving me an option of TTB or TTS. When I starting getting ready for TTB I would have been able to run a lot more power with the same point list and stay in B.
#56
At least that was my experience.
I don't know which classes have good numbers in NASA Texas but I would run whatever class has the best numbers/participation not counting Spec Miata. I think the idea of Spec Miata is awesome, but the reliality of the class and racing in the class in the here and now is not super appealing to me. Here in the Great Lakes region PTE seems to have pretty good participation regularly, I think that is the class I would run if I were building a car. PTE is also popular in the Mid Atlantic region, and Summit Point and VIR aren't too far of a drive.
At 3400 lbs your car must be pretty hard on tires and brakes. What size are your stoptechs?
#58
Like is 328mm X 28mm big enough for a 3200lb car.
Or should I go with the 332mm x 32mm?
Or buy 18" wheels and go with the 355mm x 32mm...?
Price difference between 328 and 332 is small, and both will fit under my current wheels. 355mm kit isn't that much more expensive but new 18" wheels are...
I'm guessing he has at least 355mm ones on a 3400lb car with that much power and rubber...
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I'm wondering what size I need for my 3200lb TT car.
Like is 328mm X 28mm big enough for a 3200lb car.
Or should I go with the 332mm x 32mm?
Or buy 18" wheels and go with the 355mm x 32mm...?
Price difference between 328 and 332 is small, and both will fit under my current wheels. 355mm kit isn't that much more expensive but new 18" wheels are...
I'm guessing he has at least 355mm ones on a 3400lb car with that much power and rubber...
Like is 328mm X 28mm big enough for a 3200lb car.
Or should I go with the 332mm x 32mm?
Or buy 18" wheels and go with the 355mm x 32mm...?
Price difference between 328 and 332 is small, and both will fit under my current wheels. 355mm kit isn't that much more expensive but new 18" wheels are...
I'm guessing he has at least 355mm ones on a 3400lb car with that much power and rubber...