Originally Posted by mr_hyde
(Post 1075071)
I'm putting helper bags on the truck this winter to help the level the load. Fully loaded with spares, wheels/tires, tools and fuel is quite a bit when you add a few hundreds pounds to the tongue on top of it. That said, I love my budget tow setup. :party:
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Originally Posted by vtjballeng
(Post 1075130)
Equalizer hitch will achieve a similar result and should generally ride and tow better fwiw. Sounds like a great setup.
Also worth mentioning, hitches arent created equal. You cant use a weight distribution hitch with a receiver unless its designed for it, and on a 91 F150, Im willing to bet that receiver isnt designed for it if its OEM. |
Originally Posted by arbitrarily contrarian
(Post 1075482)
No, an equalizer hitch, being the brand Equal-i-zer or a generic WD hitch functions completely differently than what he described. If you have 1000lb of tongue weight on a hitch and level the truck with air bags, theres still 1000lb of tongue weight on the hitch and its associated leverage on the rear axle. The WD hitch effectively moves the pivot point for the hitch weight back onto the truck and the trailer.
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Originally Posted by vtjballeng
(Post 1075573)
Haha. Not offering the hyphenated variation warrants a No huh? The prior point is not invalidated by the method of function (which was intentionally not described for brevity). The similar result is that he will no longer have a sagging ass while towing and will ride better.
Ride better? Sure. Still be overloaded on hitch, tires and GAWR. Yep. Airbags and helper springs doesn't change that scenario. My point that you're apparently too dense to understand is that your assertion that airbags and WD hitches achieve the same results is completely and utterly wrong. |
Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15
(Post 1075579)
My point that you're apparently too dense to understand is that your assertion that airbags and WD hitches achieve the same results is completely and utterly wrong.
And obviously with a WD hitch you're going to be installing the receiver that matches the hitch. And probably and anti sway as well. |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1075581)
Air bags and WD hitches both get rid of rear end sag from tongue weight, the WD hitch has the benefit of also towing and riding better/safer than just airbags.
And obviously with a WD hitch you're going to be installing the receiver that matches the hitch. And probably and anti sway as well. |
Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15
(Post 1075586)
Sure, but a WD hitch also transfers weight to the rear axle of the trailer and the steer axle of the truck, which is not what airbags and helper springs do. Ergo, not the same result.
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Originally Posted by vtjballeng
(Post 1075130)
Equalizer hitch will achieve a similar result and should generally ride and tow better fwiw. Sounds like a great setup.
Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15
(Post 1075579)
Wat. You do understand that the Equal-i-zer and E2 hitches are significantly different in function than a chain link WD hitch, right? I digress...
Originally Posted by cucamelsmd15
(Post 1075579)
Ride better? Sure. Still be overloaded on hitch, tires and GAWR. Yep. Airbags and helper springs doesn't change that scenario.
My point that you're apparently too dense to understand is that your assertion that airbags and WD hitches achieve the same results is completely and utterly wrong. Apparently brevity allowed for ambiguity causing a visceral and narrow interpretation along the lines of nuh uh, you're stupid... and a poopy face. Also, image attached for solution of the day ( I think this is just another angle from the same setup pictured earlier in the thread ). |
Dat picture. As someone who has driven an F250SD with 1200 pounds of composite decking in a latter rack at about the same height as that miata. DO NOT WANT. That was awful, I felt like I was going to tip over while making a lane change, and the extra drag required full throttle to maintain 70 going up a slight hill on the highway. The drag is worse than an enclosed trailer.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1074803)
I had a rollover accident on the interstate in an Envoy/Trailblazer towing a tandem axle open car trailer and a Nissan Skyline. I lived, so thumbs up for that, but the rear coil springs were a bit too soft imo. Something went wrong with the trailer so I can't blame the truck.
My tow rig is WAY overkill when I pull one car on a 20' open two axle trailer, but I can see no way that trailer will flip my long bed, crew cab, F350 dually. Now if something goes "wrong" with my triple axle 43' enclosed goose neck, that weighs over 15K with two cars and spares - yeah, maybe. But so far I've survived two tires blowing out on the same side and all we noticed was the big BANG, then the little bang. I've had many tow rigs over the years, starting with a 68 Ranchero. The one lesson I've learned is to use the biggest and heaviest rig you can afford. Reality is that almost no one would buy a truck like mine for a little open trailer, and I didn't either. If I had the spare filthy lucre I would get one of those Freightliner rigs they now sell as toterhomes. Hell, you can pick one up for less than 200K! That is how to go racing! I am glad you made it through your roll over though. Bad enough to break our toys, but even worse to break our bodies. |
LOL. And we are back to the "you need a locomotive to pull a 16' open trailer" school of thought. Again. I have pulled my car....literally all over the Eastern U.S. with an Envoy XUV. It has survived 2 blow outs and a bearing failure on the trailer. Pulling through cities, mountains, heavy traffic, rain, snow, high winds....you name it.....not one single issue.
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Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 1077795)
LOL. And we are back to the "you need a locomotive to pull a 16' open trailer" school of thought. Again. I have pulled my car....literally all over the Eastern U.S. with an Envoy XUV. It has survived 2 blow outs and a bearing failure on the trailer. Pulling through cities, mountains, heavy traffic, rain, snow, high winds....you name it.....not one single issue.
I think he is just saying, the bigger the tow rig the better. Not necessarily that you NEED something that big... |
Originally Posted by Track
(Post 1077796)
I think he is just saying, the bigger the tow rig the better. Not necessarily that you NEED something that big...
BTW, the toterhome idea is really from my wife. She won't sleep in my enclosed car trailer with the rest of us guys - says it isn't ladylike;) FWIW, I used to sleep in the back of my Ranchero at the track - it did have a cap and it was a LOT better than a tent. Today, 30 years later, I feel I am in the lap of luxury sleeping in my enclosed trailer as it has AIR CONDITIONING! Whoo Hoo! A point no one has mentioned about all those European cars with their trailers? In Germany, they are restricted to the right lane of the AutoBahn along with the trucks - 80 KPH (48 MPH) as I recall. On secondary roads, that may be reduced to 60 KPH (36 MPH). We run a bit quicker than that over here. |
Originally Posted by Team DNR
(Post 1077799)
A point no one has mentioned about all those European cars with their trailers? In Germany, they are restricted to the right lane of the AutoBahn along with the trucks - 80 KPH (48 MPH) as I recall. On secondary roads, that may be reduced to 60 KPH (36 MPH). We run a bit quicker than that over here.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1077834)
Yep. Here in CA, my standard operating speed is 65mph, and that creeps to 75-80mph when I'm north or east of the CA border. Can't go that fast without a long wheelbase and a bunch of weight.
I can't let him by, so I floor it. 75, 80, 85, 90 - 93 MPH! Slowly going by the Dodge when Richard, very cool and calm, looks over at me and says: "You know, I kinda wonder what the speed rating on those trailer tires is?" We immediately resumed our 70 mph pace. |
The Trailblazer was my buddy's, as was the trailer and Skyline. It was a brand new tandem axle trailer. Something broke or backed out in the trailer axle mounting hardware and after two hours of dead level smooth towing it snatched the back end of the truck loaded down with tools and tires right, left, right, so hard it was sideways at 70 mph in the middle of three lanes. Would it have done it in a 10000lb crew cab dually? No, because he couldn't have afforded the car, the defective trailer, the fuel, or the track day if he had to have a truck like that in his driveway.
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Driving my dads Ram 1500 v8 with a 24' enclosed hallmark is a pain in the ass its slow as shit feels very dangerous even though its rated to tow that amount. Never mind the last time I used it the water pump took a shit since the truck got such a beating.
I love my 3500 ram diesel I usually tow a heavy duty 24' open trailer but it's like nothing is back there. Its plenty fast for merging with 400whp/650tq and I feel safe. Thats what really counts for me, after a long day at the track I'm beat. I don't want to be worried about towing my shit home. Crank the a/c, lean back, relax and enjoy the few hour trip home knowing I will make it safely. I'd like get a longer gooseneck trailer so I can tow another car or possibly a 3 car hauler and help some my friends getting to the track. Why all hate for having an overkill hauler? My truck has more space, more room, more towing capacity, better mpg(19city/ 21towing about 6k pounds / 24 hwy) than a envoy. Its also very easy to work on, cheap parts, and reliable. I see absolutely no advantage to owning a smaller gas powered suv or truck. |
Originally Posted by natedawg
(Post 1077911)
Driving my dads Ram 1500 v8 with a 24' enclosed hallmark is a pain in the ass its slow as shit feels very dangerous even though its rated to tow that amount. Never mind the last time I used it the water pump took a shit since the truck got such a beating.
I love my 3500 ram diesel I usually tow a heavy duty 24' open trailer but it's like nothing is back there. Its plenty fast for merging with 400whp/650tq and I feel safe. Thats what really counts for me, after a long day at the track I'm beat. I don't want to be worried about towing my shit home. Crank the a/c, lean back, relax and enjoy the few hour trip home knowing I will make it safely. I'd like get a longer gooseneck trailer so I can tow another car or possibly a 3 car hauler and help some my friends getting to the track. Why all hate for having an overkill hauler? My truck has more space, more room, more towing capacity, better mpg(19city/ 21towing about 6k pounds / 24 hwy) than a envoy. Its also very easy to work on, cheap parts, and reliable. I see absolutely no advantage to owning a smaller gas powered suv or truck. |
Originally Posted by natedawg
(Post 1077911)
Why all hate for having an overkill hauler? My truck has more space, more room, more towing capacity, better mpg(19city/ 21towing about 6k pounds / 24 hwy) than a envoy. Its also very easy to work on, cheap parts, and reliable. I see absolutely no advantage to owning a smaller gas powered suv or truck.
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Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 1077795)
LOL. And we are back to the "you need a locomotive to pull a 16' open trailer" school of thought.
A diesel dually to tow a Miata on an open trailer for HPDE is like having a massive amount of life insurance, plus disability insurance, plus long-term care insurance. It's almost surely overkill but you are definitely covered for worst-case scenarios. A BMW 540i Touring is like having a small group life policy paid for by your employer. Everything else is somewhere in between, with tradeoffs in terms of protection and opportunity costs that will be specific to the person's scenario.
Originally Posted by natedawg
(Post 1077911)
I see absolutely no advantage to owning a smaller gas powered suv or truck.
For others, we do see big advantages depending on the details. I would be miserable if I had to drive a big truck every day. I sold a nice G35 Sport because it was an automatic and I couldn't deal with that. ;) This ticks all my boxes for an ideal tow vehicle, except for price. Porsche Macan Turbo with a weight : power ratio better than a lot of sports cars (~400 BHP, ~400 TQ, 4200 lbs); expected to be the best handling, most dynamic SUV available; will utilize one of the best automated manual gearboxes; and looks pretty cool in my opinion. http://files2.porsche.com/filestore....6-001a64c55f5c Besides the ridiculous pricing, I am also not sure it will be rated as high as the Q5 cousin (4,400 lbs tow capacity) because of the Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go check the internet for cool Ranchero and El Camino builds... |
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