I had to do it because I know you hate it! lol

 

no, because Vice Car.

 

Because rice car.

 

That bent carbotech pad is damage due to the pad hanging up on one side and the piston pressing after said hang up. Were you running the clips? Were they cleaned and lubed on install?

 

wrong.

XP10, stock 1.8 brakes, Laguna at ~220whp. Brand new pads Sunday morning, this is what they looked like Sunday at 5pm.

outer pad (fingers):


inner pad (piston):


For whatever reason, the CTs do this when you get them really, really hot. Not sure you can blame it on the pad if you're producing the kind of heat that can bend the backing plate like that, though. If you can bend a set of CTs like that, what you need is a Wilwood BBK.

I ran CTs in the Wilwoods for a while and never had that kind of problem again - I use Hawks now because they handle super-abuse better, last as long/longer, and are significantly cheaper. I've also grown to like the initial bite/modulation characteristics. I'm about to switch the Rental over from XP12s to DTC60s. We'll still sell the CTs, though - they are the perfect option for those of you that drive to the track and don't want to switch pads for the Monday commute.

Congratulations, you're a real man, we have 11.75" BBKs in stock.

 

I've seen a lot of brakes that had been abused and f'ed up, and the only pads I've ever seen do that were yours when you posted them a few years ago, the ones earlier in this thread, and a whole bunch from Carbotech on another car with a pretty nice brake system that was being pushed pretty hard. On that other car, when he went to different manufacturers' pads, the plastic backing plate thing also pretty much went away.

On pad max temp ratings, my personal opinion is that a rating of 1800 or 2000 is pointless. The rotor itself starts failing to perform properly when measured in-stop temps get up in the 1600-1700 range. A pad may continue to deliver friction above that, but the brake system needs changes to better deal with the energy put through it and keep temps in check.

 

I'm retiring the MSM from track duty and building a turbo NA over the winter. I won't be pushing quite as much power as the MSM the first year and the car will be ~400 pounds lighter as a dedicated track car vs. a full interior MSM street car so I hope it will be easier on brakes. That said, the stock 1.6 brakes won't cut it so if I can swing the cash, I will skip directly to the BBK from the start. If not, I will cobble something together and hope the lighter car and some aero will give me some more pad life. I have the 4th set of pads on the car this summer so consumables are getting expensive. A BBK with pads that don't disintegrate will be cheaper in the long run!
-h