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Old 08-27-2009, 01:33 PM   #101
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I'll have to agree to disagree also. What works at the top level of autox does not nesasarily translate to the race track or the street.

The OP was asking originally what the most bang for the buck is in chassis stiffening. If he's planning on dodging cones nationally I guess the answer would be, none.
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hmm, I thought thats what shocks, springs, and slicks did. I hope thats a joke
Are you serious dude? I watch national CSP cars go around a course in 40 seconds. Then i watch go-karts go around the same track in 30. Tell me which ones have more suspension and chassis components?

Weight is a penalty in competitive auto-x within any given class. And yes, chassis flex keeps the wheels on the ground for many of those cars.

You keep arguing generalities, which do not apply universally. At the national level, auto-x setup is as different from your road course as dorifto or rally prep. I am sure you will agree with that.
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At the national level, auto-x setup is as different from your road course as dorifto or rally prep.
You are agreeing with Sam and I! What is needed for top level Autox is different from what works best on the street, road course, etc.

Bracing's benefit (or lack of) is determined by the intended use.
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Are you serious dude? I watch national CSP cars go around a course in 40 seconds. Then i watch go-karts go around the same track in 30. Tell me which ones have more suspension and chassis components?

Weight is a penalty in competitive auto-x within any given class. And yes, chassis flex keeps the wheels on the ground for many of those cars.

You keep arguing generalities, which do not apply universally. At the national level, auto-x setup is as different from your road course as dorifto or rally prep. I am sure you will agree with that.
I think you're confused as to who thinks what. I know different neccesities, within reason, are needed for different motorsport. I know this as I autoX too. hell i was just at one this past Sunday. I never disagreed with that. Anyways go-karts have like no roll and no suspension because of their lack of weight. It doesnt need suspension to compensate for weight as they're just karts. just my .What generalities have I argued? I never said anything was really wrong or right. Its just once a car reaches a certain point, its gonna need something else to support it. Thats once thing i'll take blame for arguing. Its like saying, "oh im at 300+horses on my miata. I think im gonna need some rods and pistons now"
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Are you serious dude? I watch national CSP cars go around a course in 40 seconds. Then i watch go-karts go around the same track in 30. Tell me which ones have more suspension and chassis components?
Well if that isn't the most apples to oranges argument I have ever read.

I watch pickup trucks haul 2500lbs of dirt. Then I watch a tri axle dump truck carry 50,000lbs. Tell me which has more bulk and capacity?
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Well if that isn't the most apples to oranges argument I have ever read.

I watch pickup trucks haul 2500lbs of dirt. Then I watch a tri axle dump truck carry 50,000lbs. Tell me which has more bulk and capacity?
The point I was illustrating is that weight is more important in auto-x than chassis bracing on a car as capable as the miata. That is all. Pickup trucks hauling a ton of dirt is still gonna be faster than a tri-axle carrying 25 tons around the auto-x.
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If a 2000lb NA miata at 200whp with every bit of factory bracing stripped, which isnt much on NAs, and no extra support went head to head with a 300whp NA miata at 2300lbs with its fair share of bracing to give it a firm car feel, both having "the stig" as a driver I bet you the heavier would win In autocross, roadraces, drag, whatever you name it.
This was what I was referring to with generalities. Maybe I read it wrong, but I'm over it.

I really just want to know if that triangular brace for the rear dif/ppf is worth it, and if so, is there anybody interested in making it.

I am also curious if the frog arms really make a difference on NBs.
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I still don't completely agree, but whatever. Auto-x is for pussies anyway...
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I still don't completely agree, but whatever. Auto-x is for pussies anyway...
i personally prefer track events but dont **** on auto-x. its very hard to be good at and takes a LOT of skill
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The point I was illustrating is that weight is more important in auto-x than chassis bracing on a car as capable as the miata.
This is very true, but under no circumstances are braces "bling" as that other guy stated. Thats what I was really referring to
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i personally prefer track events but dont **** on auto-x. its very hard to be good at and takes a LOT of skill
Oh I know, I was just being a smart ***. I enjoy watching people run, but I don't know that I would find it that much fun myself. Looks like too much frantic turning of the wheel through tight turns and not enough speed and longer sweeping turns. One day when I can afford to actually do the things to my car, or another Miata like I have been planning for the last 2 years, I'm going to have to do a HPDE at Barber. I would have this year, but I wouldn't have met safety regulations as I understood, and my car is still ****, so no point in going out there and putting around.
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Oh I know, I was just being a smart ***. I enjoy watching people run, but I don't know that I would find it that much fun myself. Looks like too much frantic turning of the wheel through tight turns and not enough speed and longer sweeping turns. One day when I can afford to actually do the things to my car, or another Miata like I have been planning for the last 2 years, I'm going to have to do a HPDE at Barber. I would have this year, but I wouldn't have met safety regulations as I understood, and my car is still ****, so no point in going out there and putting around.
Autocross is usually only $25, no bar required. It will build your car control skills in preparation for HPDE, and you will meet some nice people.
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I still don't completely agree, but whatever. Auto-x is for pussies anyway...
Or for people who decided not to spend a couple of thousand $ every race weekend?

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Or for people who decided not to spend a couple of thousand $ every race weekend?
Quoted for exaggeration. It is not nearly that expensive, especially for just a track day. I would say more like less than $500, including tire wear and fuel, and maybe even the hotel room. Worth the extra money IMO.
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If I already had decent tires, it would cost me fuel and whatever a weekend pass costs (like $200-$300), since I live like a mile from the track. Easily worth it for a weekend or track fun. According to NASA though, I had to have a seat, harness and arm restraints as well as my roll bar. I think they said it was Barber regulations, not theirs.
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I have the hard dog deuce bar, racing beat rear lower box brace, and some crappy cheap cobalt front lower brace (tiny piece of metal). My future upgrades include harddog door bars, and the Carbing 4 point lower front engine brace. I figure that will be a great setup for street and drag racing.
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Quoted for exaggeration. It is not nearly that expensive, especially for just a track day. I would say more like less than $500, including tire wear and fuel, and maybe even the hotel room. Worth the extra money IMO.
Are you talking about pussies () going to open track days or going racing in some good competetive series?

Just the set of good new tires for the qualifying will be over those $500

Instead of going to autocross nationals, try going to the SCCA national runoffs. For $500 per race you'll be the back marker ...



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Are you talking about pussies () going to open track days or going racing in some good competetive series?

Just the set of good new tires for the qualifying will be over those $500

Instead of going to autocross nationals, try going to the SCCA national runoffs. For $500 per race you'll be the back marker ...


What in the hell are you bitching about now?
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What in the hell are you bitching about now?
Just having fun ...

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Are you talking about the hard core, brass balled, talented, dedicated, knowledgeable guys going to open track days?
Corrected.

Jeez the parking lot time trial guys sure are testy. Overcompensating a little?
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