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Originally Posted by engineered2win
(Post 1623051)
I'm having trouble receiving any messages at all via CAN. I'm using the CAN analyzer in MaxxECU, so i'd see one if anything at all was sent from the MK60. I'm being told that if it was hooked up correctly, i'd see some messages, even if i don't have the "handshake" messages with the vin, steering angle, etc. yet. Anyone know if this is true? |
can anyone confirm that it's pin 11 and 15 for can? I'm being told that it's 15 and 30? I got 11 and 15 from this: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...iring-plan.pdf
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I have it as CAN_H on 11, CAN_L on 15.
I would start with NO resistor on the CAN bus here. I'm at work and can't give a full run-down, but the placement and purpose of the resistor is widely misunderstood. |
Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1623177)
I have it as CAN_H on 11, CAN_L on 15.
I would start with NO resistor on the CAN bus here. I'm at work and can't give a full run-down, but the placement and purpose of the resistor is widely misunderstood. |
Is there anything else on this CAN bus other than the ECU?
Are you absolutely certain that the CAN bit rate is set to 500kbit/sec on the ECU? |
Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1623188)
Is there anything else on this CAN bus other than the ECU?
Are you absolutely certain that the CAN bit rate is set to 500kbit/sec on the ECU? |
well, i got the wheelspeeds working via CAN. i think my battery was just too low by the time i got it configured properly.
As for how, it just.... worked. I know the MaxxECU has preset can protocols for specific cars, e46s being one of them, so it's possible that it sends whatever messages the ABS needs to send wheel speeds. There is a resistor on a pigtail coming off the abs unit. I have it set to 500kb/s. Pretty stoked! |
Here are all the incoming and outgoing messages for the ABS. Ignore the bottom two messages, those are from my PLC.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d949d8581d.jpg |
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Came across this, figured someone here might be interested.
https://tulayswirewerks.com/product/...connector-kit/ Attachment 228052 Attachment 228053 |
Ok so for those on MS, what is preventing you from utilizing the CAN from the MK60? It it just signal input? I have a DB9 to CAN conversion module so I should be able to tap into my existing CAN network, unless im missing something here?
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In light of the MK60 unit prices going through the roof recently, does anyone know which E60MK1 can be reflashed?
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Originally Posted by yuba
(Post 1612102)
So it turns out setting the CSL parameters is pretty easy. It took me a couple of days to figure it out since the steps aren't anywhere online for those of us running the MK60 in standalone and figuring out how to get NCS Expert to connect to the MK60 without being able to pull data from the other modules was a bit of a journey.
1. Read the VIN from the unit in INPA 2. https://bimmer.work/ -> Paste VIN 3. Get the Type (BR93 in my case since the donor was apparently a vert) 4. Get the Production Date (March 03 for me) 5. Open NCS Expert, File -> Load Profile -> Revtor's -> VIN/ZCS/FA -> Enter ZCS -> Choose E46 -> Paste VIN, click Calculate checksum, OK, press Cancel. Look at last letter in the FG line, this is the checksum for your VIN 6. Create a file called m3.ssd with the following in it: M E46_CODIERSCHL ALL A 001 WBABR93433PK02711N E46_#0303*BR93 \ $210$249$354$388$399$431$441$459$464$473$481$494$5 02$520$521 \ $522$534$550$640$645$650$661$674$692$710$785$845$8 53$876$925$992 7. Replace the VIN on line 2 with your VIN with checksum 8. Replace 0303 with your YYMM of production 9. Replace BR93 with your Type 10. Replace all of the $### garbage with the options your car has on bimmer.work and make sure you keep the space \ round about where I had it, I have no idea what the max line length is 11. Go back to INPA, click Open file, open the m3.ssd file, click ZCS/FA.f file, click OK, click Back 12. Plug computer into ABS 13. Click Process ECU, choose MK60, click OK, click Read ECU 14. Open NCS Dummy 15. Open the NETTODAT.TRC file you read from the ECU, it should be C:\NCSEXPER\WORK\NETTODAT.TRC 16. Set: BAUART_MK60 - CSL (I don't know if these matter, they might be DSC only settings but I set them anyway) UEBERSTUERNM_MUE_1_2 - wert_11 UNTERSTEUERN_MUE_1_2 - wert_03 UNTERSTEURSCHWELLE_2 - wert_04 17. Export FSW/PSW -> Export FSW_PSW.MAN 18. Go back to NCS Expert, Change job, SG_CODIEREN, OK 19. Execute Job Done, I recalibrated all of the sensors just to be sure. It seems like there are some other settings in here that could allow tweaking for specific chassis differences but I have no idea what is going on so I left everything else alone. DRUCKMODELL_HINTERACHSE is changed to determine M3 vs M3 CSL rear calipers (larger pistons), I left it alone. I verified that all of the things I set were changed by reading back the MK60, but I haven't been out with it yet so YMMV and all, I'll report back once I test it next weekend. |
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Originally Posted by notamiata
(Post 1627257)
for the life of me, i cannot find any info on how to read the vin.
Attachment 228051 |
Anyone have keisler automation uprights with the MR2 bearings in the front have a sensor working? I changed to a subaru sensor like in an earlier post but cant get it to work. Rears work fine.
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Originally Posted by yuba
(Post 1627432)
Sorry, I didn't see this post until today. If you connect to the unit with INPA you can open the Ident menu (F2).
https://i.imgur.com/iqtq49U.jpg |
So, for what it is worth...
Today I made a m3.ssd file for Vorshlag Terry who has an 818.3 unit, walked him through setting the params, and they appear to have been set. That confirms the recent talk of the 813.3 / 817.3 units being the only CSL param capable units as being incorrect. It appears that the CSL does in fact have a much higher threshold. edit: Alright, so since I've now walked two people through doing this today I'm going to update the directions 1. Read the VIN from the unit in INPA by connecting to it and clicking the Ident button. The VIN will be at the bottom, if you are curious to see the car your unit came out of then change the leading WBA to WBS and Google it. I have no idea why the vin stored is different than the chassis vin. 2. Open NCS Expert, File -> Load Profile -> Revtor's -> VIN/ZCS/FA -> Enter ZCS -> Choose E46 -> Paste VIN, click Calculate checksum checkbox, OK, press Cancel. Look at last letter in the FG line, this is the checksum for your VIN, you will need it for the next step. 3. Create a file called m3.ssd with the following in it: M E46_CODIERSCHL ALL A 001 WBABR93433PK02711N E46_#0303*BR93 \ $210$249$354$388$399$431$441$459$464$473$481$494$5 02$520$521 \ $522$534$550$640$645$650$661$674$692$710$785$845$8 53$876$925$992 7. Replace the VIN on line 2 with your VIN with checksum. Example: MK60 vin - WBABR93433PK02711, VIN from NCSExpert FG Line WBABR93433PK02711N 8. Replace 0303 on line 2 with your YYMM of production, if you can find it, otherwise leave it alone. 9. Replace the BR93 on line 2 with your chassis type. If you look at your VIN it is the 4 letters/numbers after the WBA. A BR93 is a convertible, a BL93 is a coupe. 11. Go back to NCS Expert, click Open file, open the m3.ssd file, click ZCS/FA.f file, click OK, click Back 12. Plug your computer into ABS 13. Click Process ECU, click the MK60 line, click OK, click Read ECU 14. Open NCS Dummy 15. Open the NETTODAT.TRC file you read from the ECU, it should be C:\NCSEXPER\WORK\NETTODAT.TRC 16. Set the following options in NCSExpert BAUART_MK60 - CSL (I don't know if these matter, they might be DSC only settings but I set them anyway) UEBERSTUERNM_MUE_1_2 - wert_11 UNTERSTEUERN_MUE_1_2 - wert_03 UNTERSTEURSCHWELLE_2 - wert_04 17. Click Export FSW/PSW then click Export FSW_PSW.MAN 18. Go back to NCS Expert, click Change job, click SG_CODIEREN, click OK 19. Click execute Job Recalibrate your sensors in INPA. |
Thanks for the help, excited to test this at Pitt next weekend.
For others, we have two more MK60 equipped cars to test back to back there as well. Should have a good data pool to add to these findings. |
ignore if way off topic.
this thread dis full of awesome, then went to look for an ABS pump and GAWD DANG! 2600$ for a complete kit! anyways, i still want to do ABS, so ive been looking at 4 channel aBS pumps. most have all embedded electronics so they can work stand alone. can i basically use a 2010 mazda miata ABS/sensors to retrofit it? i know the reasonings behind the MK60...but little ABS gotta be better than no abs. also, how do you recon this would work on a booster delete setup with dual MC's? |
Originally Posted by Alejo_NIN
(Post 1629505)
ignore if way off topic.
this thread dis full of awesome, then went to look for an ABS pump and GAWD DANG! 2600$ for a complete kit! anyways, i still want to do ABS, so ive been looking at 4 channel aBS pumps. most have all embedded electronics so they can work stand alone. can i basically use a 2010 mazda miata ABS/sensors to retrofit it? i know the reasonings behind the MK60...but little ABS gotta be better than no abs. also, how do you recon this would work on a booster delete setup with dual MC's? FYI you can piece together a mk60 for half the cost you were quoted, just gotta keep an eye out for a used unit. |
Yeah, agreed with Bronson on the RX8 unit, just make sure you get the Sumitomo one.
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Originally Posted by yuba
(Post 1629519)
Yeah, agreed with Bronson on the RX8 unit, just make sure you get the Sumitomo one.
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Originally Posted by Alejo_NIN
(Post 1629505)
this thread dis full of awesome, then went to look for an ABS pump and GAWD DANG! 2600$ for a complete kit!
I don’t know the current market, but if the MK60 modules are commanding a premium and you’re not rules-limited, checkout pricing on the MK60e5, that might be better, though I don’t know what that module needs in terms of sensors. |
The RX8 sumitomo pumps are getting pretty hard to find. I used to see at least one a month on eBay for <$100. Now they're more like $300 if I ever see one at all. Been wanting to buy a spare for my car. I've found a few junkyard ones listed as non-DSC but it always ends up being a Bosch pump when they go check the car.
On the Mk60e5, I saw a FB post a couple days ago from a guy who'd done it and said the speed sensors are much more difficult to get working reliability. He had it working but switched back to regular mk60 because he didn't trust it. |
Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1629528)
The RX8 sumitomo pumps are getting pretty hard to find. I used to see at least one a month on eBay for <$100. Now they're more like $300 if I ever see one at all. Been wanting to buy a spare for my car. I've found a few junkyard ones listed as non-DSC but it always ends up being a Bosch pump when they go check the car.
On the Mk60e5, I saw a FB post a couple days ago from a guy who'd done it and said the speed sensors are much more difficult to get working reliability. He had it working but switched back to regular mk60 because he didn't trust it. One potential benefit of the RX8 Non-DSC ABS pump, for even the NA/NB's, is that the RX8 appears to also use VR sensors instead of hall sensors like the Mk60. Now the hall sensors should in theory be superior to the VR sensor, but it would make the swap easier. We could potentially use the current tone wheels and Miata ABS sensors. From what I've read about it the old RX8 race teams that were running standalone ECU's all used the non-DSC pump and it works well. Now I have no idea how it compares to the Mk60, so I'm scared I'll go through a bunch of work to swap it in and it'll absolutely suck donkey dick like the NB2 setup I retrofitted. MaxxECU has a predefined RX8 CAN protocol, which the pump outputs 4 wheel speeds and ABS warning over CAN. |
Originally Posted by engineered2win
(Post 1629547)
I've been looking at the RX8 non-DSC pump as a far cheaper alternative to the Mk60.
One potential benefit of the RX8 Non-DSC ABS pump, for even the NA/NB's, is that the RX8 appears to also use VR sensors instead of hall sensors like the Mk60. Now the hall sensors should in theory be superior to the VR sensor, but it would make the swap easier. We could potentially use the current tone wheels and Miata ABS sensors. From what I've read about it the old RX8 race teams that were running standalone ECU's all used the non-DSC pump and it works well. Now I have no idea how it compares to the Mk60, so I'm scared I'll go through a bunch of work to swap it in and it'll absolutely suck donkey dick like the NB2 setup I retrofitted. MaxxECU has a predefined RX8 CAN protocol, which the pump outputs 4 wheel speeds and ABS warning over CAN. |
Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1629528)
The RX8 sumitomo pumps are getting pretty hard to find. I used to see at least one a month on eBay for <$100. Now they're more like $300 if I ever see one at all. Been wanting to buy a spare for my car. I've found a few junkyard ones listed as non-DSC but it always ends up being a Bosch pump when they go check the car.
On the Mk60e5, I saw a FB post a couple days ago from a guy who'd done it and said the speed sensors are much more difficult to get working reliability. He had it working but switched back to regular mk60 because he didn't trust it. I just picked up a MK60e5 and i will be giving it a shot soon. |
Originally Posted by notamiata
(Post 1629548)
Just a heads up, i found that using the physical inputs had better results than can bus for that purpose. I felt there was some lag with the can bus.
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Originally Posted by icantlearn
(Post 1629624)
What bit rate is your CAN network streaming? I'm kind of surprised by this.
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how good would ABS work with a system with individual MC and no Brake Booster?
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Originally Posted by Alejo_NIN
(Post 1629684)
how good would ABS work with a system with individual MC and no Brake Booster?
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So i picked up an MK60e5 from an e90 m3 the other week, and decided to play around with it on my desk. I hooked up power and the yaw sensor so far, as well as the PT CAN wires to the Kline usb dongle. It is working perfectly with INPA, so the rumors about needing the JBE or a motorsports flash in order to diagnose or bleed the brakes are FALSE.
Also, there is no internal yaw/accel sensor. It has an external one and works just like the e46 one. So the rumors about the abs unit needing to be aligned properly are also FALSE. The last thing i need to check before i install it are wheel speed sensors. I'm hoping i can use my existing tone rings, but i am unsure at this point. I did confirm that the e46 sensors do not work with it. An open/closed contact on the wheel speed sensor wires does trigger a change/reading of speed in inpa, so it's possible that a standard hall sensor may work. The unknown thing is that the standard oem wheel speed sensors are able to detect direction of rotation, so i don't know how important that is or if it will still be able to do it with a non-stock sensor. |
All this activity on the MK60 and its variants really makes me want to grab a couple of junkyard units and open them up… I really want to know how much variation there is in the actual circuit board hardware. I’ve only seen a few pictures at too-low resolution, but it does look like they have some chips that may be proprietary. Or at least they’re custom silk-screened :)
Amusingly, Continental has a job opening right now that’s very close to what I do now. Unfortunately I’m not fluent in German. And they’d probably prefer if I lived in Europe… Sadly, too many current projects, too little time… |
Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1629753)
All this activity on the MK60 and its variants really makes me want to grab a couple of junkyard units and open them up… I really want to know how much variation there is in the actual circuit board hardware. I’ve only seen a few pictures at too-low resolution, but it does look like they have some chips that may be proprietary. Or at least they’re custom silk-screened :)
Amusingly, Continental has a job opening right now that’s very close to what I do now. Unfortunately I’m not fluent in German. And they’d probably prefer if I lived in Europe… Sadly, too many current projects, too little time… https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cb2df846f.jpeg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b53c4e735.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...15bd8a0ac.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3b0fabc91.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a0cf0e827.jpeg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3bdd23cca.jpeg |
Has anyone successfully retrofitted the Mk60E5? I can find an E92 M3 pump used for around $200 without any effort. Info on the setup seems pretty scarce though. I read that the tire diameter can be modified on them via CAN, but I've also read you need the E92 CAN gateway to communicate with the pump.
It looks like the pressure sensors are integral to the pump and it adds the pressures and IMU to the CAN stream: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d7094aa898.jpg |
Originally Posted by engineered2win
(Post 1629800)
Has anyone successfully retrofitted the Mk60E5? I can find an E92 M3 pump used for around $200 without any effort. Info on the setup seems pretty scarce though. I read that the tire diameter can be modified on them via CAN, but I've also read you need the E92 CAN gateway to communicate with the pump.
It looks like the pressure sensors are integral to the pump and it adds the pressures and IMU to the CAN stream: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d7094aa898.jpg |
Would love to hear the results. I’ve wired one and it works, but can’t communicate, even with multiple scan tools that have worked with the e46 unit.
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1629849)
Would love to hear the results. I’ve wired one and it works, but can’t communicate, even with multiple scan tools that have worked with the e46 unit.
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I’ll check my diagrams, don’t remember if I even hooked up Kline. I’m unfortunately not around the car often. Thanks for the tip!
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1629851)
I’ll check my diagrams, don’t remember if I even hooked up Kline. I’m unfortunately not around the car often. Thanks for the tip!
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Originally Posted by notamiata
(Post 1629686)
So i picked up an MK60e5 from an e90 m3 the other week, and decided to play around with it on my desk. I hooked up power and the yaw sensor so far, as well as the PT CAN wires to the Kline usb dongle. It is working perfectly with INPA, so the rumors about needing the JBE or a motorsports flash in order to diagnose or bleed the brakes are FALSE.
Also, there is no internal yaw/accel sensor. It has an external one and works just like the e46 one. So the rumors about the abs unit needing to be aligned properly are also FALSE. The last thing i need to check before i install it are wheel speed sensors. I'm hoping i can use my existing tone rings, but i am unsure at this point. I did confirm that the e46 sensors do not work with it. An open/closed contact on the wheel speed sensor wires does trigger a change/reading of speed in inpa, so it's possible that a standard hall sensor may work. The unknown thing is that the standard oem wheel speed sensors are able to detect direction of rotation, so i don't know how important that is or if it will still be able to do it with a non-stock sensor. Have you flashed the DSC unit ? |
OMG! Miata forums FTW once again.
So much wealth of information here. I used to have a K24/20 swapped Miata but I sold the car and been out of commission for awhile... haha Can someone school me on the details of MK60 stuff please, I'm still confused about this MK60 ABS. So... the "M3 MK60" comes in two different flavors 813.3 and 817.3 and they are the main discussions for the race prepped cars. I've seen MK60 units in "non-M3" cars, E46 325/330 in the local junkyard. I'm aware these do not have any flashing capabilities nor M3 ABS flash/program on the ABS assembly. Can the "non-M3 MK60" units also be used as a standalone ABS swap? If they can be used as a standalone, what would be the downside to this solution? or the difference? I'm just trying to retrofit a standard ABS system to a car, not really interested in having the M3 flash/program at this moment. And if it ever comes to it, I'm sure swapping out the ABS Assembly to a "M3" (813.3/817.3) spec one will be a breeze if I already have the MK60 in place. |
I also saw your post on the facebook MK60 group.
I'm new to this, but I'm a BMW master technician and deal with this system for years. from my understanding. All MK60 can be used as a stand alone system. This is a functionnality in case there's an issue in the vehicle. The safety function will remain active. Some MK60 unit are better than other, some are flashable, some are not. As you listed in you own comment. Some require 2 yaw sensors (AWD, Active steering M5-M6). There's a lot of tiny difference from one unit to the other. The most popular are the MK60 813.3 or 817.3 with the external pressure sensor. Personnally I purchased the MK60e5, with the internal sensor. The version is 860.3 and it's flashable from what I understand. (I'm currectly at this point, in communication with a guy, in the UK and an other one in the USA, they may be able to flash the unit.). If it's not possible to flash the unit, I will just use with the oem software. |
Originally Posted by Motion80
(Post 1630088)
I also saw your post on the facebook MK60 group.
I'm new to this, but I'm a BMW master technician and deal with this system for years. from my understanding. All MK60 can be used as a stand alone system. This is a functionnality in case there's an issue in the vehicle. The safety function will remain active. Some MK60 unit are better than other, some are flashable, some are not. As you listed in you own comment. Some require 2 yaw sensors (AWD, Active steering M5-M6). There's a lot of tiny difference from one unit to the other. The most popular are the MK60 813.3 or 817.3 with the external pressure sensor. Personnally I purchased the MK60e5, with the internal sensor. The version is 860.3 and it's flashable from what I understand. (I'm currectly at this point, in communication with a guy, in the UK and an other one in the USA, they may be able to flash the unit.). If it's not possible to flash the unit, I will just use with the oem software. I'm planning on using it for a street car build, matter of fact a FWD configuration.... I was mainly looking into MK60 because of ease of plumbing (no need for prop valve and such) and also 4 channel vs 3 channel on stock car with an ABS option. Seems like wiring and plumbing also could be cleaner at the end because MK60 is a smaller standalone unit vs stock Assembly/Control unit. |
I'm working on piecing this system together. and going through all the information I still have some questions.
first one is fittings. clearly I can see from the factory BMW parts that into the pump they use DIN style fittings and flares with the flat back for interface with the tube nuts. I have a K-tool flare tool that seems to do DIN, and SAE bubble, or SAE inverted flares pretty well and easy. I don't see Brakequip as offering DIN tube nuts for the 12mmX1 ports and 3/16 line. the 12mmX1 tube nuts in DIN format only come in 1/4". looks like people are actually using SAE bubble flares into the ABS block. does that actually work? seems like the format for the seat angle on the female side is actually a different angle between the formats. maybe its close enough to just bend the mushroom end of the tube to fit when tightened. |
another thing I came across: In the past I have added pressure sensor ports directly in master cylinders by drilling out extra unused bosses and tapping to 1/8" NTP and have had no issues with that so I was searching for a Mazda style master cylinder that had extra bosses that I could drill and tap out. There are tones of variations in NB or NA style masters to choose from some aftermarket castings seem to just cast in all the bosses and drill out the ones needed for a specific fitment.
In the process of searching I stumbled on an 1988/89 Mazda 929 W/O abs and W active suspension. It has 4 outlet ports 2 on the side 2 on the bottom. It is 7/8". I think using adapters I can thread the two sensors into the bottom ports similar to the BMW master and eliminate a shed load of fittings, T's, and short line segments everybody is using. I plan on using a Honeddevelepments booster Delete block as well and I think 7/8" might feel fine with that. the one extra port is M14X1 but there are inserts that go from M14X1 to M10X1 and I think two BQ44 adapters could put both of the BMW pressure sensors straight into the bottom of the master like BMW does it. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3bf9220dd7.png |
If I wanted to disable the ABS easily but still maintain the speed output to the ECU, would a simple brake pedal switch interupt be enough?
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Originally Posted by Exidous
(Post 1632383)
If I wanted to disable the ABS easily but still maintain the speed output to the ECU, would a simple brake pedal switch interupt be enough?
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The stock NB ABS can be disabled by pulling the handbrake to switch the handbrake warning light on.
I'd be surprised if there wasn't a similar feature on the Mk60, may not be the handbrake but somewhere in there ... |
Originally Posted by Gee Emm
(Post 1632386)
The stock NB ABS can be disabled by pulling the handbrake to switch the handbrake warning light on.
I'd be surprised if there wasn't a similar feature on the Mk60, may not be the handbrake but somewhere in there ... |
Which sensor is this? Subaru forester, what years. What position on the car looks like they might have a different part# for each corner. I'm attempting to do this same thing.
Originally Posted by Twibs415
(Post 1617522)
Circling back here. Took a bit of foot work to find the right sensor that I could adapt into Mr2s front hubs. I spoke with Doug and confirmed my suspicions. I ordered about a dozen different sensors and finally the one that worked best was a Subaru Forester abs sensor
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Soo those things didn’t actually work even after trying to confirm with Doug. Ended up trimming the hell out of the bmw sensor.
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Thanks for the quick response. So the modified bmw sensor worked? So I assume file it down a little to get it to fit up close to the tone ring oriented like this and figure out how to mount it to the cap in a way that also fits through the back of the knuckle and it works? looks like it will work I have version 2 front spindles bit tighter to fit out the back and have to be perfectly oriented.
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https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...329efb9274.jpg Hopefully that give you an idea how far you can trim the sensor. The big part was getting the area around the wire trimmed for shock clearance. It’s not idea. But finding this particular style sensor in side reading wasn’t happening. Looked at all types of Volvo vw Porsche bmw sensors etc. |
Yea I think I'm finding most all the sensors besides the E46 BMW MK60 are different type of sensor not just different geometry even if it has an ATE MK60 control unit. most sense off a magnetic ring rather than a tooth ring. The E92 MK60e5 uses magnetic rings. I'm curious what the guys trying to use those are doing for rings and sensors. Several of the sensors seem like they would physically fit the Toyota hubs on the drop spindles better but I don't think they work the same and are likely not electronically compatible. I had some concerns the smaller tone ring diameter could be an issue if maybe the teeth were too close together but If you got it working maybe that is not a problem.
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A few guys started a Discord for the MK60/MK60E1/MK60E5, one of the guys in there is working on a digital converter for the MR.
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 1632740)
I had some concerns the smaller tone ring diameter could be an issue if maybe the teeth were too close together but If you got it working maybe that is not a problem.
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E5 uses magnetic reluctor rings and different sensors as far as I can tell. More stuff to figure out and another thing to figure out that I haven't seen anybody post how they have figured it out for a Miata yet. I have seen a very expensive solution for the Kiesler fronts.
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Originally Posted by icantlearn
(Post 1632745)
It would not be very hard to make new tone rings if that's the biggest hurdle. Im considering moving over to the E5 unit as well, but I need to do a bit more research before I pull the trigger on it. I love the e5 in my e90 m3, but that's factory integration so....
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Originally Posted by yuba
(Post 1632744)
A few guys started a Discord for the MK60/MK60E1/MK60E5, one of the guys in there is working on a digital converter for the MR.
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Originally Posted by OptionXIII
(Post 1632780)
As someone that likes to read about these grassroots developments more so than lead them, the movement of tech discussions from forums like MT to Facebook and Discord really sucks. Forum threads are searchable and referenceable in a way that modern social media just isn't.
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I decided I'm going to try and stuff the abs pump here with the Honed development booster delete. I want the other side for breathers and catch can. The master cylinder from an 95 ford escort GT manual with ABS has 4 ports. The bottom ones are M16X1.5 threads machined to seal with crush washers. I bought some thread reducers that go from M16X1.5 to M12X1 and seems like the BMW pressure sensors will seal just fine in the holes with crush washers. The master comes in either 7/8 or 15/16 bore with the same outlet configuration looks like 93 were 7/8, 95 are 15/16th the booster end is the same fit as an NA Miata. now to get the hard lines routed right.
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