There's too many coilover options (11 page thread to explain 80 page thread)
#201
here you go about complaining about reading again. No one cares that you don't want to figure things out with your own hard work. Honestly with very little research you would find out which vendors to look for certain parts. So many have stated the same answers over and over you have to be retarded to not connect the dots. No one wants to hold your hand. There is no reason to buy or switch out parts a tons of times becuase all you have to do is read. Conclude. Purchase. It takes no trial and error. Just research. You have only been here since june and you think you are owed answers? You feel you don't need to read through all the 80 whopping pages. WOW
#202
Well you cancer encouraging meat sacks, concealer404 made a quite informative post... on a completely different forum... which hits on all of the topics I had issues with..... So linking to that maybe the second post after calling me out for being a dumbass would have been nice.
Link for the lazy (like me): https://www.clubroadster.net/vb_foru...n-ballers.html
Link for the lazy (like me): https://www.clubroadster.net/vb_foru...n-ballers.html
#203
Whoa. Did you find that ALL BY YOURSELF? That's CRAZY.
That post is also a bit outdated and i don't bother to keep up on it because 1) That forum doesn't care about performance and 2) anyone who wants a system truly tailored for their needs will do the research necessary to use that post as nothing more than a starting point, and order of assembly.
And that's the problem with this entire thread. In this thread you were TOLD to use NB B8 shocks, 5xracing/Allstar sleeves/perches, cut your own bumpstops according to which top hats you use, that you need 4 extended top hats, and a range of spring rates were recommended to you. And yet, everyone who helped you is an *******. You do understand how silly that is, right? It's not just me?
That post is also a bit outdated and i don't bother to keep up on it because 1) That forum doesn't care about performance and 2) anyone who wants a system truly tailored for their needs will do the research necessary to use that post as nothing more than a starting point, and order of assembly.
And that's the problem with this entire thread. In this thread you were TOLD to use NB B8 shocks, 5xracing/Allstar sleeves/perches, cut your own bumpstops according to which top hats you use, that you need 4 extended top hats, and a range of spring rates were recommended to you. And yet, everyone who helped you is an *******. You do understand how silly that is, right? It's not just me?
#204
Whoa. Did you find that ALL BY YOURSELF? That's CRAZY.
That post is also a bit outdated and i don't bother to keep up on it because 1) That forum doesn't care about performance and 2) anyone who wants a system truly tailored for their needs will do the research necessary to use that post as nothing more than a starting point, and order of assembly.
And that's the problem with this entire thread. In this thread you were TOLD to use NB B8 shocks, 5xracing/Allstar sleeves/perches, cut your own bumpstops according to which top hats you use, that you need 4 extended top hats, and a range of spring rates were recommended to you. And yet, everyone who helped you is an *******. You do understand how silly that is, right? It's not just me?
That post is also a bit outdated and i don't bother to keep up on it because 1) That forum doesn't care about performance and 2) anyone who wants a system truly tailored for their needs will do the research necessary to use that post as nothing more than a starting point, and order of assembly.
And that's the problem with this entire thread. In this thread you were TOLD to use NB B8 shocks, 5xracing/Allstar sleeves/perches, cut your own bumpstops according to which top hats you use, that you need 4 extended top hats, and a range of spring rates were recommended to you. And yet, everyone who helped you is an *******. You do understand how silly that is, right? It's not just me?
To be fair, I did read and did learn, but most of the questions I had were better answered elsewhere as here all I got told to do was read more...
#205
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and my question was WHY do I need X Y and Z. When I’ve had a few people tell me I don’t need front extended hats, and now you say I do? Is it because of the spring rate or the bilstein shaft? If it is the shaft, then if I decide to use different shocks I may or may not need extended hats depending on what shocks I can get.
This seems like a simple concept to grasp.
#206
and my question was WHY do I need X Y and Z. When I’ve had a few people tell me I don’t need front extended hats, and now you say I do? Is it because of the spring rate or the bilstein shaft? If it is the shaft, then if I decide to use different shocks I may or may not need extended hats depending on what shocks I can get.
To be fair, I did read and did learn, but most of the questions I had were better answered elsewhere as here all I got told to do was read more...
To be fair, I did read and did learn, but most of the questions I had were better answered elsewhere as here all I got told to do was read more...
The issue is that you're trying to skip to the end. Showing your work is for YOUR benefit, not ours.
You NEED extended top hats in the back. I HIGHLY suggest extended top hats in the front. The reason why is: Travel.
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Most here have read through everything possible in order to come to conclusions by themselves rather than trust in one single opinion. You are just too ******* lazy. No one deserves to be spoon fed off others hard work. It's your job to use others hard work to make your own conclusion and not start demanding time from others to help you decide because you don't want to put in the effort to figure it out. Get off your race car bed and go find answers by yourself so you can be sure through lots of reading that you found a common answer and it makes sense to you. Not just because someone told you so.
#208
You need extended top hats if the shock body length artificially limits your suspension travel to significantly less than that which is limited by the other factors of the suspension geometry, such as spring binding, tire-body interference, internal shock travel, and control arm travel.
This seems like a simple concept to grasp.
This seems like a simple concept to grasp.
Which is why I planned on grabbing a full set of 1" extended hats.
#209
I think you are one the the easy button guys. So why didn't you just go click "buy xida" and be done. You won't have to bother to learn anything and cut right to the chase! You still haven't figured out what you should buy because you haven't gotten a grasp on what each part of the coilovers function is and how a different spec/size effect another, or the performance. Go watch some under the car footage on miatas and really get an understanding how the suspension as a whole works with each other. It should help you see when you change one thing whether it be an adjustment, stiffer or longer spring, taller hats, lower ride height, that there are a number of other factors that get affected. Seriusly though, just buy some ******* xidas, how much are you really going to save on some other set up, with the high chance of it still not being adequate.
#212
Jerrick, Emillio, Keith (not sure if you are on this board), Ryan/Brian (Good-Win),
Would you provide a set of CRD+ /Track, Xida, Fox, Vmaxx, Feal coil-overs to someone agreed upon to be neutral in this to be tested?
There are several characteristics that are important and everyone wants to know how well these setups would go against each other. I see important items as:
- best lap time that can be achieved in the same car
- street comfort
- adjustability
- parts availability
- warranty
- price
I mean if you are sure about your product being competitive, this seems like a good way to show it. I understand that each set cost $$ and there would be no expectation of giving them away for good - they would be returned (we can even pitch in to cover shipping cost for whoever is going to be doing testing), and you can provide a previously installed set if you want.
Would you provide a set of CRD+ /Track, Xida, Fox, Vmaxx, Feal coil-overs to someone agreed upon to be neutral in this to be tested?
There are several characteristics that are important and everyone wants to know how well these setups would go against each other. I see important items as:
- best lap time that can be achieved in the same car
- street comfort
- adjustability
- parts availability
- warranty
- price
I mean if you are sure about your product being competitive, this seems like a good way to show it. I understand that each set cost $$ and there would be no expectation of giving them away for good - they would be returned (we can even pitch in to cover shipping cost for whoever is going to be doing testing), and you can provide a previously installed set if you want.
I say all this because I doubt many people other than a few expert would notice much of a difference on these $1500 plus coilovers with the exception of Emilio's electronic wizard shocks. That being said, this test would never happen. Too much $$$. I will make one more point though, the resale on a set of Ohlins or Xida is actually really good. Carry on boys...
#214
Just to clarify, in no way am I saying a Bilstein DIY setup is better than anything custom made and valved for a Miata. Just that the driver pays a bigger role in lap times than whatever shock you can throw on the car. Now, when it comes to street comfort, you can tell a big difference the more you spend. I'm actually running some retarded Raceland Optimos because I got them for $200 new and I like to test ****. They are better than blown shocks with the NB top hats but are scary loose on the street when driven aggressive. If I wasn't a C list actor level driver I would have wrecked it a couple of times goofing around on back roads. If anyone ever makes a "Supermiata Techna" aka budget shock, custom valved, they will own the sub $1200 market space.
#220
Jerrick, Emillio, Keith (not sure if you are on this board), Ryan/Brian (Good-Win),
Would you provide a set of CRD+ /Track, Xida, Fox, Vmaxx, Feal coil-overs to someone agreed upon to be neutral in this to be tested?
There are several characteristics that are important and everyone wants to know how well these setups would go against each other. I see important items as:
- best lap time that can be achieved in the same car
- street comfort
- adjustability
- parts availability
- warranty
- price
I mean if you are sure about your product being competitive, this seems like a good way to show it. I understand that each set cost $$ and there would be no expectation of giving them away for good - they would be returned (we can even pitch in to cover shipping cost for whoever is going to be doing testing), and you can provide a previously installed set if you want.
Would you provide a set of CRD+ /Track, Xida, Fox, Vmaxx, Feal coil-overs to someone agreed upon to be neutral in this to be tested?
There are several characteristics that are important and everyone wants to know how well these setups would go against each other. I see important items as:
- best lap time that can be achieved in the same car
- street comfort
- adjustability
- parts availability
- warranty
- price
I mean if you are sure about your product being competitive, this seems like a good way to show it. I understand that each set cost $$ and there would be no expectation of giving them away for good - they would be returned (we can even pitch in to cover shipping cost for whoever is going to be doing testing), and you can provide a previously installed set if you want.
What you end up with is unqualified youtube bloggers "testing" whatever parts they can get for free. Do what you will with the resultant "data".
We buy samples of many of our competitors products. With a few exceptions, we don't publish those test results. In a few cases, when we felt there was a safety concern, we either published a PSA and/or notified the vendor.
There will always be customers that rationalize the purchase of lower performing, lower quality, lower cost goods while convincing themselves that they perform as well as higher quality and higher cost goods.
There will always be good 80/20 bargains. Stuff that performs 80% as well, at 20% the cost of the best goods.
There will always be companies that erroneously promote their goods as equal in performance and quality to higher priced goods. It is easy to take advantage of the consumers lack of understanding. Just make it shiny, make bold claims without any data or science to back it up. Profit.
There will always be boutique/disruptive companies making innovative, state of the art goods that have to fight an uphill battle to educate the consumer about the product so they can make the best decision for their budget. No hype.
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