Why is Adaptronic better than Megasquirt?
#21
Lets be fair here: there is no pnp ms. PERIOD! for the na guys ms might be a cheaper solution. For us nb guys its not. And dont try to tell me how easy it is to get ms to work in parallel with an nb: I've seen too many people fail and am way too electronically stupid to try it.
So if MS is not available to us and can not be used in this comparison, we have NOTHING cheaper than the adaptronic available to us. Period
So if MS is not available to us and can not be used in this comparison, we have NOTHING cheaper than the adaptronic available to us. Period
Please please dont go there, take the professional high road.
Last edited by Saml01; 06-22-2009 at 11:34 AM.
#22
Thats not excitement. Thats him doing something I have already said vendors should not do. Let people decide and debate amongst themselves which product is superior, when, and why. If he is confident in his product he has nothing to fear.
The best reason to get it, for the PNP, the rest of the features most can do without.
Please please dont go there, take the professional high road.
The best reason to get it, for the PNP, the rest of the features most can do without.
Please please dont go there, take the professional high road.
^ id love to continue this wonderful argument but I know u already have ur hands lubed up and are about to vigorously jerk off your product, so I will just bow out of this one.
I was watching the thread for several days without saying anything, but someone who had never used an Adaptronic was just posting mis-information. You basically said they were the same in reliability, features, and performance when its just not the truth. There are big differences, and when do the differences matter? Would you use a link instead of an MS? Since your at a link maybe you would just downgrade to a powercard, or a J&S knock gaurd a twist of the CAS and an RRFPR. There are certainly people in each category that are looking up and down and judging what level of control is appropriate for them. Some may never use it, and some may fully utilize it.
I am all for people debating, but I have to stick up for my own product to some degree. I had the option of retailing any standalone on the market, and I picked this one: it didn't pick me. I believe it represents the finest motorsport engine management hardware for the money, and there are alot of people on this forum that think the same because they are running it.
#24
I never said anything about their reliability, which would be identical.
Features.I just stipulated that auto-tune might not be as useful as everyone thinks it is.
Performance? Do you mean which makes more power? It shouldnt matter, as long as you got fuel and air it doesnt matter which ECU you use.
Adaptronic is certainly the superior ECU, it would be ignorant for me to argue otherwise, but you also have to weigh the pro's and see if it justifys spending extra. Furthermore, I even said, if its an NB theres no reason not to spend money for it. If its an NA, then you gotta think harder.
I get the joke now, my bad.
#25
I didnt post any mis-information.
I never said anything about their reliability, which would be identical.
Features.I just stipulated that auto-tune might not be as useful as everyone thinks it is.
Performance? Do you mean which makes more power? It shouldnt matter, as long as you got fuel and air it doesnt matter which ECU you use.
Adaptronic is certainly the superior ECU, it would be ignorant for me to argue otherwise, but you also have to weigh the pro's and see if it justifys spending extra. Furthermore, I even said, if its an NB theres no reason not to spend money for it. If its an NA, then you gotta think harder.
I get the joke now, my bad.
I never said anything about their reliability, which would be identical.
Features.I just stipulated that auto-tune might not be as useful as everyone thinks it is.
Performance? Do you mean which makes more power? It shouldnt matter, as long as you got fuel and air it doesnt matter which ECU you use.
Adaptronic is certainly the superior ECU, it would be ignorant for me to argue otherwise, but you also have to weigh the pro's and see if it justifys spending extra. Furthermore, I even said, if its an NB theres no reason not to spend money for it. If its an NA, then you gotta think harder.
I get the joke now, my bad.
In performance I'm talking about more how the two ECU's actually allow the car to perform better. Boost by gear, and traction control are serious advantages. On top of that the auto tune allows you to basically tune your car as if every trip to the dairy mart was a part throttle dyno tuning session without actually having to do ANYTHING at all. It evaluates the AFR and changes the map for you to suit the AFR you dialed in on the table without your laptop ever being hooked up. I'm always kind of excited to see what the ECU has done to my fuel map, and you should see my logs. My AFR's are usaully within .1 of the target. Its really beautiful .
I think autotune is the best thing since sliced bread. Get in your car turn the ignition on, and drive your car. Let the ECU do the hardwork while you enjoy the reason you bought a Miata.
#29
Autotune is in there, just no one uses it because of MLV. In Megatune its in the realtime VE table options. Not the friendliest, but its there. But, to qualify for the spreadsheet, I believe you need to at a minimum, enable / disable with the laptop.
http://www.megamanual.com/megatune.htm#autotune
--Alex
http://www.megamanual.com/megatune.htm#autotune
--Alex
#31
Its my understanding that autotune with ms is a function of megatune and not part of the ecus firmware itself. Thus requiring you to have your laptop plugged in any time you wish to use it. Adaptronic on the other hand only requires a laptop to enable autotune and can perform the function independent of the laptop from then on.
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Sam's jealous, it's about as simple as it gets.
While the MS gets the job done, it's not the most elegant/robust solution. Autotune in MS is a joke, KnocksenseMS is a joke, it's EBC code is a joke, the 215*F temperature cap is a joke, the temperature corrections are a finicky at best, the barometric corrections never worked right for me, etc etc etc.
Half the code is experimental, and B&G simply ignores the fact or any suggestions/requests for fixes.
Sam please wash the sand out of your vagina and actually use valid points and wit.
While the MS gets the job done, it's not the most elegant/robust solution. Autotune in MS is a joke, KnocksenseMS is a joke, it's EBC code is a joke, the 215*F temperature cap is a joke, the temperature corrections are a finicky at best, the barometric corrections never worked right for me, etc etc etc.
Half the code is experimental, and B&G simply ignores the fact or any suggestions/requests for fixes.
Sam please wash the sand out of your vagina and actually use valid points and wit.
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I don't have one, but I'm more than a little concerned with the number of MS threads that include the words "I reflashed the firmware" or the advice "reflash your firmware." Sam says the reliability is the same. I call bullshit on that one. But I'm just a guy reading threads and taking notes for a future buy into one ECU or the other. I don't have a dog in this hunt, but the number of goofy issues that have to be resolved in MS by posters on this forum has already gotten my attention. New posts arise daily.
New problems daily with Adaptronic? Notsomuch. Granted, there are fewer users of the Adaptronic, but lets call a spade a spade for the sake of intellectual honesty.
Just an observation.
New problems daily with Adaptronic? Notsomuch. Granted, there are fewer users of the Adaptronic, but lets call a spade a spade for the sake of intellectual honesty.
Just an observation.
#35
In fact I might have it tested before you do at this point. I already received my adaptronic last week and am going to put it in very soon. You should give that spare knock sensor to scott so I can pick it up from him when we meet up next week for lunch, I'm picking up a wb at the same time. I've got everything ready to bolt up to the maita. Just waiting on some bends and vbands to make the exhaust and charge pipes.
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I don't have one, but I'm more than a little concerned with the number of MS threads that include the words "I reflashed the firmware" or the advice "reflash your firmware." Sam says the reliability is the same. I call bullshit on that one. But I'm just a guy reading threads and taking notes for a future buy into one ECU or the other. I don't have a dog in this hunt, but the number of goofy issues that have to be resolved in MS by posters on this forum has already gotten my attention. New posts arise daily.
To be fair,
#39
I only know what I've seen on the forums, but the MS ECU's do seem to randomly go out, and users continue having problems with them years after the install. 2 years after my install the only thing I've had to worry about was whether or not to turn on my slow converge autotune or just straight closed loop.
In performance I'm talking about more how the two ECU's actually allow the car to perform better. Boost by gear, and traction control are serious advantages. On top of that the auto tune allows you to basically tune your car as if every trip to the dairy mart was a part throttle dyno tuning session without actually having to do ANYTHING at all. It evaluates the AFR and changes the map for you to suit the AFR you dialed in on the table without your laptop ever being hooked up. I'm always kind of excited to see what the ECU has done to my fuel map, and you should see my logs. My AFR's are usaully within .1 of the target. Its really beautiful .
I think autotune is the best thing since sliced bread. Get in your car turn the ignition on, and drive your car. Let the ECU do the hardwork while you enjoy the reason you bought a Miata.
As for auto tuning, it shouldnt need to constantly tune. You tune once and you are done. If the ECU is constantly re-tuning that means something is wrong with your car that the AFR's are fluctuating. Nice feature to have, but beyond the initial and final tune, its pretty worthless. Its a nice to have, not a need to have.
I swear that is a feature in Megasquirt, hence the name diyautotune.com of the vendor.
I can see pnp being the big plus. Datalogging on MS is easy anyway. There's no need to hand tune every row, it does the whole table for you. I would be interested in process power differences.
I can see pnp being the big plus. Datalogging on MS is easy anyway. There's no need to hand tune every row, it does the whole table for you. I would be interested in process power differences.
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Simple fact, if you can justify the additional price for features of the adaptronic then get it. If not, then a MS is more then enough.