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Old 12-08-2009, 04:31 PM   #101
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there's so much bullshit about the apexi s-afc on the netz. only time it's dangerous is when it's mis-used, just like a gun.

when used properly (to fine tune) there is little to no difference to the timing
if you are running bigger injectors with stock everything else, you might have problems. but usually, most people upgrade their inj. when they have a larger turbo, exhaust, intake, and more boost. in that situation the larger inj. should be close to the correct afr. the s-afc only being used to pull small % of fuel in the midrange and topend. also usually needs some work at or near idle but even if you have to pull 10-15% it's not a big deal because there is little to 0 load there and a few deg. of timing doesn't affect the car.

it's the newbs and people with nothing but internet experience that put a bad name to a useful and high quality part.

like i've said before, it's like parts racism. a bunch of people hating (in this case an object) due to ignorance and hearsay.

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Old 12-08-2009, 04:37 PM   #102
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there's so much bullshit about the apexi s-afc on the netz. only time it's dangerous is when it's mis-used, just like a gun.

when used properly (to fine tune) there is little to no difference to the timing
if you are bigger injectors with stock everything else, you might have problems. but usually, most people upgrade their inj. when they have a larger turbo, exhaust, intake, and more boost. in that situation the larger inj. should be close to the correct afr. the s-afc only being used to pull small % of fuel in the midrange and topend. also usually needs some work at or near idle but even if you have to pull 10-15% it's not a big deal because there is little to 0 load there and a few deg. of timing doesn't affect the car.

it's the newbs and people with nothing but internet experience that put a bad name to a useful and high quality part.

like i've said before, it's like parts racism. a bunch of people hating (in this case an object) due to ignorance and hearsay.
It COULD be used someone successfully, yet it almost never is. In addition to that it certainly is not a useful or high quality part. I could build and program a smpl little module that could do what the apexi does for next to nothing. Its a completely *** backwards way of tuning and makes very little sense. Especially when a megasquirt can be built for the price of one.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:38 PM   #103
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btw, no one uses megasquirt on supra's. he'd be better off using an apex-i for low boost until he has the money for at least a map-ecu or better choice like an aem ems or better. there's a reason the miata community uses megasquirt. most people are making under 300whp. over that and folks are realizing that a more complete system is called for on miata's too.
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I have 2 friends have a 2j laying around. i would totally sell my setup to drop one in lol
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btw, no one uses megasquirt on supra's. he'd be better off using an apex-i for low boost until he has the money for at least a map-ecu or better choice like an aem ems or better. there's a reason the miata community uses megasquirt. most people are making under 300whp. over that and folks are realizing that a more complete system is called for on miata's too.
Megasquirt could be used on a 1000+hp car, it doenst have limitations like that. The fact that lots of the miata community uses it is because they are smart, not because theyre not making much power.
Ive tuned AEM,and its a great system with high resolution tables but its not significantly better than megasquirt and its 5 times the price AND it doenst work on all cars.
An apexi on the other hand is a peice of ****, it doenst have true fuel or ignition control, all it does is tricks the stock ecu.
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It COULD be used someone successfully, yet it almost never is. In addition to that it certainly is not a useful or high quality part. I could build and program a smpl little module that could do what the apexi does for next to nothing. Its a completely *** backwards way of tuning and makes very little sense. Especially when a megasquirt can be built for the price of one.
well why don't YOU start a company! and i've never seen a megasquirt for $100, used or new.

plus you can't compare a standalone ecu (no matter how shitty it is) to a piggyback computer. for it's intended use the apex-i is just fine.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:35 PM   #107
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Megasquirt could be used on a 1000+hp car, it doenst have limitations like that. The fact that lots of the miata community uses it is because they are smart, not because theyre not making much power.
Ive tuned AEM,and its a great system with high resolution tables but its not significantly better than megasquirt and its 5 times the price AND it doenst work on all cars.
An apexi on the other hand is a peice of ****, it doenst have true fuel or ignition control, all it does is tricks the stock ecu.
let me know when you build your 1000whp supra and control it with a megasquirt. or even if you talk someone into using ms on one
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let me know when you build your 1000whp supra and control it with a megasquirt. or even if you talk someone into using ms on one
Megasquirt is capable of running anything, it can easily run injectors capable of fueling a 1000+hp supra. You are a complete idiot if you think MS is a POS standalone.

Heres a good example, this is a twin turbo salt flat car producing 650 hp and it is running a megasquirt.

In case you dnt know, top speed racing is some of the most harsh and demanding torture tests for any setup and requires IMMACULATE tuning.

Megasquirt = Immaculate.
Apexi = Ricer bullshit.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:33 PM   #109
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oh look another example.
Twin Turbo LS making 1000+hp and running in the low 10s


guess what its running? A ******* MEGASQUIRT
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let me know when you build your 1000whp supra and control it with a megasquirt. or even if you talk someone into using ms on one
Spoolin, you have gotta give some logic around this. Why would megasquirt be bad? It's an ECU. Are you just saying that because 1000hp supras are typically "baller" $$$$$ builds?

I would have a megasquirt if I could go back 2 years..
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oh look another example.
Twin Turbo LS making 1000+hp and running in the low 10s


guess what its running? A ******* MEGASQUIRT
I think he's in the 9's now if i'm not mistaken
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I think he's in the 9's now if i'm not mistaken
If he was using an Apexi he would be running in the 8's
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hey Spoolin, on your built 1.8 turbo,what ecu are you using?
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hey Spoolin, on your built 1.8 turbo,what ecu are you using?
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heres what an apexi does to your tables



/epic fail
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Dose anyone have any good ideas of what I can do for a cheap rear brake upgrade I was thinking of running the stock 1.6 front calipers in the back and just loose the emergency brake but I don't know if this is a good idea. I have a set of wilwood 4 pistons for the front we are making brackets for and I'm running the corrado rotors as well so the front is covered. I also purchased a manual proportioning valve and was wondering if I just run it inline to the rear brakes or remove the original one then run it in line. Sorry for the dumb questions and I am going to try and post some new pics this weekend while I do the suspension so you all can see the cross member mods and the new trans cross member.
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Old 12-15-2009, 01:52 PM   #117
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lolz. get the m-tuned rear break kit.
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:30 PM   #118
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So sean any new **** you got for us??
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aka motor mounts? lol
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