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Old 02-24-2015, 10:37 AM
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I thought we got it on camera?!
Now THAT would be awesome. Could be inspiration for a Mobius smiley.
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Old 02-24-2015, 12:26 PM
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We did not, we were still in picture mode sadly.
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Also I have had trouble getting LC-1 digital output if I don't have the null plug in the end that I wasn't using.
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Old 02-24-2015, 12:48 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's reversed. I will make sure the terminator goes back in.
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Old 02-24-2015, 01:36 PM
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Digital AFR success. On to getting the car on the ground and rolling.

Swap & bleed new slave
install shifter
front swaybar
etc
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Yay!
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Oh man, this is getting exciting! Congrats!
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MS3 ziptied all the hell up in there ghetto-style while waiting on brackets?
Check
Trans fluid
Check (almost forgot about that one)
Shifter
Check
brotrex belt tightening #1
Check
all 4 wheels on and not torqued?
CHECK
hood
Check
Swaybar & RB support braces installed
Check
Swaybar & RB support braces removed to re-grease, then reinstalled?
Check
Swaybar installed hanging down, and unable to clear tie rods to get to where it is supposed to?
Check
Motherf*#**ing swaybar & RB support braces undone so the motherf#*#ing swaybar will clear the tie rods, and all that motherf#**ing pain in the *** **** installed a third time
Check Check CHECK
But I'm not bitter.

ToDo:
seat
bumper
put car on ground
torque wheels
check oil one more time
I am always surprised how much time all the piddly stuff takes. First drive is to Curly's house, about 20 miles. Oil change shall occur there. Tunerstudio goodness will commence.

Alignment/corner weight scheduled for Thursday. I have the Enthuza NBXR muffler on the car, because ~15lbs lighter, and because **** the neighbors.
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The sway bar mounts and blocks are seriously way to hard to reach, especially if you have intercooler piping in the way. When I changed my springs last weekend the thing that took the longest was undoing the damn sway bars.

Good luck on getting it going, and don't forget to torque the wheels, I seem to forget that one every time.
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My hotside is the FM silicone piece, so I can flex it out of the way, but it's still a pain.
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I love my HD sway mounts. Sold the RB brace and blocks with an evil smile on my face.
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50 miles on the car now.

Drove to Curly's, varying RPM and on/off the throttle. It was super rich. I was out of time and didn't set up an AFR target table for ve analyze to play with. I'm not familiar with any of that, and the day was passing. During install and messing with stuff we may have wiped out Rev's base map, I'm not sure.

Got there, we did a quick drive, did some quick tuning, things immediately got better. We hadn't yet checked timing with a timing light, so we decided to do so.
Josh: "Did you bring your timing light?"
"No, I meant to but forgot, I knew I was coming to CSTG so I didn't turn around when I remembered."
Josh: "Ok, let me find mine."
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Josh: "I think it's in the trunk of Mrs. Curly's car."
So that's, fine, whatever, that's totally understandable. That's where I keep my seldomly-used-but-hard-to-replace tools, in the trunk of my wife's car. I completely understand.

We went to AutoZone to borrow a timing light, VEAL'ing on the way.

"No, we don't rent or loan those. We sell them, though!"

Nobody had a timing light for us. So **** it, time to change the oil. Oil was changed.

New VEAL session on awesome road near Curly's house, things are pretty good now. Halfway through the drive there was the following sequence of noises:
thunka thunka THUNK thunk
"What was that?"
"I don't know, something bouncing on the road behind us."
"We should check that."
"Yes, we should."
We turn around and find the item. It is the recirc valve I fashioned from PVC pipe. It is a street elbow, with two sections of 1" pvc pipe cemented into it, and then my silicone intake hoses are clamped onto the 1" pvc pipe stubs. I didn't put epoxy/jbweld flanges on them because noboostpressure, I figured I could tighten things down and everything would be fine. Well, it wasn't, the **** fell out on the road. But, because MAP now, things still run fine, but the engine can now access unfiltered air through the open hole. We drive back, Josh whips up a plug, I bolt it in. No more unfiltered air!

Alignment and corner weight tomorrow, then maybe another VEAL session. I am going to check the midpipe and muffler connections; the exhaust note seemed excessive by the time I got home and I am wondering if a gasket somehow slipped out or if a nut/bolt has come loose.

Once that's sorted out I'll take some video on some good roads.


Grade Report so far:

Engine: no oil leaks, runs gud. A+ Josh !
Engine: no coolant leaks. A+ Josh & me!
Redneck Engineering Solutions Me: B Worked good until it failed!
Redneck Engineering Solutions Curly: A Still in place and functioning!
V8 Roadsters LCA: A+ There is so much camber now lol. You turn the wheel and the car says "please, turn it more, I got this"
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Originally Posted by Mobius
Alignment and corner weight tomorrow, then maybe another VEAL session.
Please check your timing first! If the timing is off, all your VEALing will be useless and in the worst case you will harm your engine...
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PVC? Really?

As an engineering solution, I'd give that an "F." But since you qualified it as a "Redneck" engineering solution "B" might be harsh. After all, it gave an opportunity to consume beer. So more like an "A-." Had said beer been consumed, it would have merited an "A+."
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Eh, it should have worked temporarily. He's got the Tail recirc valve in a box at home, I say at this point we just bolt that in...
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Rick I did wrap it in DEI thermal wrap, it should have survived fine for a week. But that problem is solved.

Moving on, the header to midpipe bolts loosened up otw home last night and one bolt backed out all the way. So I was running ALLTHERICE otw to alignment this morning.

Solvable problem. I didn't have any lock washers I could use, I'll get some.
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Just have AR bolt it up while it's on the rack, if it still is. Problem solved!
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we would, if we had the stupidly long hardware necessary to do so, only 1 bolt remained, the other bolt and both nuts were long gone.
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Originally Posted by Mobius
Rick I did wrap it in DEI thermal wrap, it should have survived fine for a week. But that problem is solved.
I was just looking for an opportunity to talk about beer.

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Moving on, the header to midpipe bolts loosened up otw home last night and one bolt backed out all the way. So I was running ALLTHERICE otw to alignment this morning.

Solvable problem. I didn't have any lock washers I could use, I'll get some.
I use all-metal locknuts and flat washers on my header-midpipe. Works great. All-metal locknuts are pretty cheap and readily available. Here's an example from Lowe's (shows a bag of 50, but you can buy small quantities too):

Shop The Hillman Group 50-Count 9/16-in Zinc-Plated Standard (SAE) All Metal Lock Nuts at Lowes.com
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Alignment numbers are in.

F:
-3.35/-3.30
692/655
-.04 toe
R:
-2.74/-2.75
654/617
+0.4 toe
Total weight: 2617. With driver, with lightweight enthuza muffler, without hardtop/wing. Mostly full tank

Might I say that, with the midpipe disconnected from the header, my car makes hella loud noise. This was due to bolt loosening and disappearing on the drive home from Curlys' yesterday. It was held on only by the one bolt when I got to AR, only due to shear stress, nut was gone, other bolt and nut were gone. If/when that second bolt had given up bad things would have happened, as then the front of the midpipe would have been completely unsupported and probably would have hit the pavement making Mad Max-worthy levels of sparks and noise. When I got home this afternoon, I found (not unsurprisingly) this in my driveway:




That would be what's left of the gasket I re-used between the header and midpipe.

Unlike the stock NB midpipe, the Racing Beat midpipe has no studs. So you have to use bolts. I tightened the header<->midpipe bolts to what I thought was enough; obviously it was not. I didn't have any washers or lock washers handy and the nuts were regular nuts. I have replacement hardware now to replace the scrounged hardware AR put on for me, lots of the tightening torque will be applied.

Curly and I timed the car, it was off (advanced) 4 degrees. That has been corrected and base timing is now 14 degrees measured and verified. Some VEAL happened on the way home.

With the exhaust properly connected and timing/fueling starting to come in, the car sounds good. It's somewhat obnoxiously loud with the Enthuza muffler on, but it sounds good. I may end up giving the RoadsterSport3 a try for something in between. The can on the Enthuza is, umm, small - there's not a lot of muffling going on there, as you can see:





I also noticed that with the current solution, the car is still making some boost . About 2psi at 3500. I didn't test beyond that point. Merely having a 1" outlet to atmosphere on the output side of the compressor is not enough; it needs to be connected to the inlet side. So, Ghetto PVC Recirc Valve MkII, complete with Faeflora-approved JBWeld power, will be going on tomorrow. Heat shield wrap will keep it safe.
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