I'd say until you know it's blowing past the rings, don't prepare to point fingers. Ensure there are 19 teeth between cam marks and all the other physical timing shenanigans are sorted and confirmed. You already checked base timing several times so unless you index anything, roll with it.
For leakdown, listen for hissing at the dip stick or oil cap (rings). Listen to manifolds/runners and plenums (valves). It seemed like your regiment for break in should have been fine if doing a bunch of vacuum pulls, you said you where up on a hill. But if it is rings, just re-hone, re-ring, try again. But don't get too far ahead of yourself. Pressure test your charge piping, listen for leaks. Check timing, and check leakdown. Then develop a contingency knowing those results. |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1497313)
I'll check leakdown and timing as discussed. Would it make sense to redo compression and leakdown if timing is off?
compression numbers are almost always worthless, you need to at least do dry/wet to see if adding oil raises the compression significantly in one cylinder vs the rest. That's a big indication the rings are tired. |
I wanted to do a wet compression as well with a teaspoon of oil but friend didn't think it was necessary...
I'm just going to rent shit from autozone and deal with it myself. If the tools aren't the best is it's fine as long as results are consistent. Re: timing being off, I meant if things are off a tooth on the belt, not the base timing on tuner studio. |
timing belt teeth will fuck up a compression/leakdown check.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1497375)
timing belt teeth will fuck up a compression/leakdown check.
--Ian |
That makes sense.
Devil's advocate.... It wouldnt localize to one cylinder with the rest within the expected spec if this was solely due to the timing right? Obviously it could be the timing AND something else correct? Thanks for the help. I'm just trying to learn what the thought process is for diagnosing this kind of issue. So I'll plan to do the leakdown (and dry/wet compression) and then the timing. If the timing is off, I'll plan to redo the compression and leakdown. |
i would have expected all healthy cylinders to behave similarly regardless of timing mistakes
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Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix
(Post 1497388)
i would have expected all healthy cylinders to behave similarly regardless of timing mistakes
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1497386)
So I'll plan to do the leakdown (and dry/wet compression) and then the timing. If the timing is off, I'll plan to redo the compression and leakdown.
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it takes like 25 seconds to check the timing.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1497395)
depending on the teeth positions, a valve could be open when you expect it to be closed... telling about a friend.
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Did you do the compression test with the throttle open or closed?
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1497443)
Did you do the compression test with the throttle open or closed?
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Check your valve lash. It's easy. And then triple check you mechanical timing. I know you checked before, but do it again anyway.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1497447)
I thought it was supposed to be done with the throttle open?
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1497469)
it is
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Originally Posted by stefanst
(Post 1497450)
Check your valve lash. It's easy. And then triple check you mechanical timing. I know you checked before, but do it again anyway.
https://forum.miata.net/vb/attachmen...1&d=1422766539 Just do that and slip the feeler gauge under to see what the clearance is? If I do end up having to measure the shims, I have micrometers. |
Retard the valve lash?
Retard the leakdown? |
Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix
(Post 1497675)
Retard the valve lash?
Retard the leakdown? Just ordered a leakdown and compression tester so I can do ish at home. Going to borrow a friends compressor. Just as an aside, is a pancake compressor from harbor freight enough to do a leakdown? I think they're supposed to be good for 125 ish psi and you only need 100 to do a leakdown. |
Is 125>100?
Just make sure that the tank/reservoir is a decent size. Since it'll be flowing a bit, you might run into the compressor kicking on all the time. |
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