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Old 02-14-2014, 10:45 AM   #21
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It's ironic that they are called this as liberals aren't much in favor of liberty.
Exactly my point.

I tend to take a very literal interpretation of language. I am very careful in the way that I use words, and I tend not to intuitively remember that speech is often distorted by the political process.



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This could seriously turn into a rant, so I'll stop there.
Would people please stop not ranting in my threads? Seriously, rant away!
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You see, this is where my brain starts to hurt.

I consider myself to be a liberal. The last time I checked, this meant that I am fundamentally in favor of individual liberties, limited government, a laissez-faire economic policy, etc.
It's now called *classical liberalism*.

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...to the so-called "Liberal" party, despite the fact that the former seem hell-bent on legislating morality while the latter would appear, at least superficially, to be sympathetic to many of the underlying tenets of a socio-economic philosophy which lies somewhere between Marxism and State Socialism.
The socialists hijacked the term "liberal" from the now-known-as-classical-liberals aka libertarians (of which there are variants from constitutionalists to Anarcho Capitalists.
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You see, this is where my brain starts to hurt.

I consider myself to be a liberal. The last time I checked, this meant that I am fundamentally in favor of individual liberties, limited government, a laissez-faire economic policy, etc.

And this confuses me greatly.
You're confused because progressive-democrats stole the term in order to confuse. Everything on the left is pretty much based on false pretenses.
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Old 02-14-2014, 12:35 PM   #24
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In my dream world, the 28th Amendment to the US Constitution prohibits candidates for any popularly-elected Federal office from openly declaring themselves to be aligned with any political party or religious sect, and prohibits the organizing of political parties for the purpose of endorsing or representing candidates for said office.

(It also requires that, prior to registration, prospective voters submit to an examination similar to the Naturalization Test which is required of all foreign nationals applying for US Citizenship.)
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My dream world may result from only 2 laws:

- All taxes payable by check on April 15 (no withholding tax)
- All elections on April 16
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My dream world may result from only 2 laws:

- All taxes payable by check on April 15 (no withholding tax)
- All elections on April 16
Haha.

You know, I really like that idea. And yet it was just this past week that someone over in the taxation thread really jumped on me and accused me of being willfully ignorant (or something like that) for saying "I don't understand why people are happy about tax refunds- I'd far rather owe my whole tax burden in April."

I suspect that there are enough people who don't understand how income tax works that such an idea would never fly, though not for the reasons that you & I might consider intuitively obvious.

"What do you mean you want to take away my tax refund?!?"
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lol!
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I, too, would laugh if the notion did not depress me so.
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All new laws would be implemented on April 17th.
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I'd rather substitute the income tax with a national sales tax. I hate the time and efficiency lost to filling tax returns. I hate how the tax code is a playground for politicians returning favors. I hate that dishonest people can so easily evade taxes. I hate . . . .

I'm a hater.
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or eliminate taxes altogether and give everyone free access to the fed. reserve to spend money at will.
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I'd rather substitute the income tax with a national sales tax. I hate the time and efficiency lost to filling tax returns. I hate how the tax code is a playground for politicians returning favors. I hate that dishonest people can so easily evade taxes. I hate . . . .

I'm a hater.
Yep, this is what I would love to see:

FairTax.org Home Page - Americans For Fair Taxation

It will never happen though. It removes the power of Congress/IRS to punish/reward *insert X group* through the tax code.
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And, of course, a certain percentage of the population will believe that a flat sales tax is inherently regressive, and that, furthermore, regressive taxation is inherently either unfair, or more unfair than progressive taxation.
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