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01-19-2022, 02:46 PM
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One was sold as a safe required-by-law-prophylactic that would end the pandemic because it would stop transmission as well as prevent you from getting the virus as well as preventing severe illness and hospitalization, the other a treatment if you happened to be a horse and needed to be dewormed.
And if the folks I'm referring to were denouncing the massive governmental power-grab, and the apparent government-corporate collusion, and so on, then I'd understand completely.
Instead, I'm still hearing a lot of "vaccines don't work" claims from the exact same folks saying "look how effective this other drug is," when the data simply don't support such a narrative.
Based on available evidence, it would appear that there are a number of medical interventions capable of producing comparable levels of protection against severe illness, hospitalization, and death due to Covid. mRNA vaccines are one, Invermectin is another, and for those already infected, molnupiravir and paxlovid are yet others.
But almost no one is saying that.
Those with a strongly left political affiliation are blindly spouting off that vaccines are our one true savior and using disparaging language such as "horse de-wormer" while attacking those who point out the efficacy of Invermectin, as though it were ineffective or dangerous.
Meanwhile, those with a strongly right political affiliation are making similar attacks, claiming that mRNA vaccines are both ineffective and dangerous while boasting about the performance of Invermectin, as though it were demonstrably superior to other treatments.
Nobody is actually acknowledging the facts, much less talking about them. The only thing which seems to inform the opinions of many people on this matter seems to be which specific treatment is / has been advocated for by which specific politician or appointee.
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01-19-2022, 02:52 PM
I can't speak for others, but I believe that many of us who criticize the vaccination push for Covid have zero problems with 'traditional' vaccinations. I know I don't.
The problem is when the .gov pushes a single solution as the only acceptable option, when it's arguably not that effective against an illness that isn't all that dangerous (to most); and the vaxx has serious known side effects in the short term, and we have no idea what the long term side effects may be. At the same time, .gov actively persecutes anyone who brings up theraputics that have been shown to be effective in treating the same illness.
Factor in the fact that the vaccine makes pharma gazillions of dollars (mostly supplied by taxpayers), and the theraputics are cheap and generic.... Honestly, I don't understand anyone who doesn't have questions about the "science".
Shouldn't people just be allowed to consult with their own doctor to figure out what's right for them, and choose their own path?
I would counter that there's likely an almost total overlap between the Religion of the Vaxx, and the Religion of MMGW*.
*just to clarify - I do think we contribute to climate issues, but I also think there is reasonable middle ground, and most "green" energy isn't as green as folks would like to believe.
The problem is when the .gov pushes a single solution as the only acceptable option, when it's arguably not that effective against an illness that isn't all that dangerous (to most); and the vaxx has serious known side effects in the short term, and we have no idea what the long term side effects may be. At the same time, .gov actively persecutes anyone who brings up theraputics that have been shown to be effective in treating the same illness.
Factor in the fact that the vaccine makes pharma gazillions of dollars (mostly supplied by taxpayers), and the theraputics are cheap and generic.... Honestly, I don't understand anyone who doesn't have questions about the "science".
Shouldn't people just be allowed to consult with their own doctor to figure out what's right for them, and choose their own path?
I would counter that there's likely an almost total overlap between the Religion of the Vaxx, and the Religion of MMGW*.
*just to clarify - I do think we contribute to climate issues, but I also think there is reasonable middle ground, and most "green" energy isn't as green as folks would like to believe.
Would anyone be ANGRY to find out that our healthcare and our economy was being driven (into the ground) by these people?
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01-19-2022, 03:05 PM
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I'm going to chime in on the mRNA vaccines are ineffective and dangerous. I only hold a few positions on it in that.....
The control group was unblinded in December 2020 by pfize and moderna. People that took part in the trial would presumably take the vaccine once they found out they were placebo. With that basic position, a control group no longer exists. Add to that you can mix/match boosters, you've further diluted any type of chemical/outcome tracing from what did what. To claim that the vaccine is effective is effectively impossible without a control group. To claim that "it would have been so much worse" is also impossible. Calling it dangerous is more accurate because without a control group to follow, the risk is infinite - let alone for a brand new technology that had never been successfully used on a human/mammals. They are unable to separate whether or not it was the vaccine/booster that reduced symptoms/deaths/hospitalizations vs the virus becoming more contagious and less deadly (as all viruses typically have done).
The control group was unblinded in December 2020 by pfize and moderna. People that took part in the trial would presumably take the vaccine once they found out they were placebo. With that basic position, a control group no longer exists. Add to that you can mix/match boosters, you've further diluted any type of chemical/outcome tracing from what did what. To claim that the vaccine is effective is effectively impossible without a control group. To claim that "it would have been so much worse" is also impossible. Calling it dangerous is more accurate because without a control group to follow, the risk is infinite - let alone for a brand new technology that had never been successfully used on a human/mammals. They are unable to separate whether or not it was the vaccine/booster that reduced symptoms/deaths/hospitalizations vs the virus becoming more contagious and less deadly (as all viruses typically have done).
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01-19-2022, 03:07 PM
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Is anyone bothered by the recent "gain of function" revelations, and that Fauci knew early on that this came from a lab and had his fingerprints all over it? Is anyone comfortable that the people who helped squelch the "lab leak" theory received millions in research grant money only weeks after they said it was probably Pangolins that spread the Covid?
Would anyone be ANGRY to find out that our healthcare and our economy was being driven (into the ground) by these people?
Would anyone be ANGRY to find out that our healthcare and our economy was being driven (into the ground) by these people?
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01-19-2022, 03:33 PM
I'm going to chime in on the mRNA vaccines are ineffective and dangerous. I only hold a few positions on it in that.....
The control group was unblinded in December 2020 by pfize and moderna. People that took part in the trial would presumably take the vaccine once they found out they were placebo. With that basic position, a control group no longer exists. Add to that you can mix/match boosters, you've further diluted any type of chemical/outcome tracing from what did what. To claim that the vaccine is effective is effectively impossible without a control group. To claim that "it would have been so much worse" is also impossible. Calling it dangerous is more accurate because without a control group to follow, the risk is infinite - let alone for a brand new technology that had never been successfully used on a human/mammals. They are unable to separate whether or not it was the vaccine/booster that reduced symptoms/deaths/hospitalizations vs the virus becoming more contagious and less deadly (as all viruses typically have done).
The control group was unblinded in December 2020 by pfize and moderna. People that took part in the trial would presumably take the vaccine once they found out they were placebo. With that basic position, a control group no longer exists. Add to that you can mix/match boosters, you've further diluted any type of chemical/outcome tracing from what did what. To claim that the vaccine is effective is effectively impossible without a control group. To claim that "it would have been so much worse" is also impossible. Calling it dangerous is more accurate because without a control group to follow, the risk is infinite - let alone for a brand new technology that had never been successfully used on a human/mammals. They are unable to separate whether or not it was the vaccine/booster that reduced symptoms/deaths/hospitalizations vs the virus becoming more contagious and less deadly (as all viruses typically have done).
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01-19-2022, 03:43 PM
Yup.
And if the folks I'm referring to were denouncing the massive governmental power-grab, and the apparent government-corporate collusion, and so on, then I'd understand completely.
Instead, I'm still hearing a lot of "vaccines don't work" claims from the exact same folks saying "look how effective this other drug is," when the data simply don't support such a narrative.
Based on available evidence, it would appear that there are a number of medical interventions capable of producing comparable levels of protection against severe illness, hospitalization, and death due to Covid. mRNA vaccines are one, Invermectin is another, and for those already infected, molnupiravir and paxlovid are yet others.
But almost no one is saying that.
Those with a strongly left political affiliation are blindly spouting off that vaccines are our one true savior and using disparaging language such as "horse de-wormer" while attacking those who point out the efficacy of Invermectin, as though it were ineffective or dangerous.
Meanwhile, those with a strongly right political affiliation are making similar attacks, claiming that mRNA vaccines are both ineffective and dangerous while boasting about the performance of Invermectin, as though it were demonstrably superior to other treatments.
Nobody is actually acknowledging the facts, much less talking about them. The only thing which seems to inform the opinions of many people on this matter seems to be which specific treatment is / has been advocated for by which specific politician or appointee.
And if the folks I'm referring to were denouncing the massive governmental power-grab, and the apparent government-corporate collusion, and so on, then I'd understand completely.
Instead, I'm still hearing a lot of "vaccines don't work" claims from the exact same folks saying "look how effective this other drug is," when the data simply don't support such a narrative.
Based on available evidence, it would appear that there are a number of medical interventions capable of producing comparable levels of protection against severe illness, hospitalization, and death due to Covid. mRNA vaccines are one, Invermectin is another, and for those already infected, molnupiravir and paxlovid are yet others.
But almost no one is saying that.
Those with a strongly left political affiliation are blindly spouting off that vaccines are our one true savior and using disparaging language such as "horse de-wormer" while attacking those who point out the efficacy of Invermectin, as though it were ineffective or dangerous.
Meanwhile, those with a strongly right political affiliation are making similar attacks, claiming that mRNA vaccines are both ineffective and dangerous while boasting about the performance of Invermectin, as though it were demonstrably superior to other treatments.
Nobody is actually acknowledging the facts, much less talking about them. The only thing which seems to inform the opinions of many people on this matter seems to be which specific treatment is / has been advocated for by which specific politician or appointee.
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01-19-2022, 05:10 PM
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Not true. The biggest Anti-Fauci's are Rand Paul and Sean Hannity, and both recommend the vaccine IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR DOCTOR. So does Dr. Malone, one of the creators of mRNA who simply says we're going too fast and there are problems that are being ignored. When VAERS shows more deaths and adverse affects from mRNA C19 shots than all other vaccines combined, then maybe quit with all the ******* mandates. When there are actual alternatives for those who don't want to take an experimental vaccine--or give it to their kids--then quit with the cram-down.
But spending most my days in the dark web, id agree most on the right agree it's a personal decision or question taking it on based on data, not opinions.
Here's one quick example that I just skimmed over:
Don't ever forget that the only reason you had a summer last year was because Rand questioned fauci and simply asked: why do we still have to wear a mask if we are vaccinated and protected. Two days later the CDC updated thier guidelines when the NPCs started malfunctioning.
But since the vaccine doesn't work, you have to wear a mask that doesn't work again
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01-19-2022, 05:11 PM
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Those with a strongly left political affiliation are blindly spouting off that vaccines are our one true savior and using disparaging language such as "horse de-wormer" while attacking those who point out the efficacy of Invermectin, as though it were ineffective or dangerous.
Remember, the left attacked the vaccine when Trump was president. The left are useful idiots. This is what they do, like inventing a new gender, then attacking you if you don't pretend that gender is real.
The day after Fauci made on off-the-cuff statment that two masks are better than one, I had multiple leftist-coworkers come to work wearing two masks.
And just this week, after the CDC finally admitted cloth/surgical masks do **** against covid, and to wear a n95 duckbill, that's what the same have been wearing into the office. One of whom just recently got covid, and she's been boosted and she made the biggest ordeal/sob-story over it. I on the other-hand am 99% certain I had omicron, didn't get tested, and only took one day off of work only cause I had to go home for a contractor anyway.
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01-20-2022, 02:29 AM
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01-20-2022, 08:27 AM
Wow. I heard him speaking in a panel that were talking about therapies, and none of them were "anti-vaxxers". Well that kind of second shot would definitely make me anti-vax. BTW, I got the Shingrix vaccines before this all started and both shots had me in bed for four days. Vaccines aren't what they used to be...
https://www.howbadismybatch.com/moderna.html
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01-20-2022, 11:05 AM
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01-20-2022, 11:19 AM
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Now do the WHO's clinical failure: remdesivir
My biggest thing on both HCQ and IVM, they are cheap and there's literally no harm in prescribing them; other countries are.
My biggest thing on both HCQ and IVM, they are cheap and there's literally no harm in prescribing them; other countries are.
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01-20-2022, 12:01 PM
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REPORTER: Will school closures be a big issue in the midterms?
JOE: "I hope to God… That, look… Maybe I’m kidding myself… As time goes on… As I said, take care of their family… Uh, is becoming much more informed on… The, um, … The motives… Every President ... but most every president… At least four of them… This idea, that you all, not YOU all…"
funny cause I just found out they closed Loudon County Schools for the 3rd day in a row due to POSSIBLE wintery weather. Today it rained a little. Yesterday was just below 32°F in the morning. Monday was a typical day.
JOE: "I hope to God… That, look… Maybe I’m kidding myself… As time goes on… As I said, take care of their family… Uh, is becoming much more informed on… The, um, … The motives… Every President ... but most every president… At least four of them… This idea, that you all, not YOU all…"
funny cause I just found out they closed Loudon County Schools for the 3rd day in a row due to POSSIBLE wintery weather. Today it rained a little. Yesterday was just below 32°F in the morning. Monday was a typical day.
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