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I know what my chances are from dying or getting a permanent side effect from the vaccine (<0.1%) than dying or getting a permanent side effect from covid (8-25% depending on several factors) and without a doubt chose the vaccine.
what about someone like myself who is in a age and health demographic that has covid complications less than vaccine complications?
I didn't realize you don't know how to make a proper conversation.
Greece is at the 60% fully vaccinated rate:
There have been more confirmed cases recently than without any vaccine whatsoever.
So I didn't know a greater number of cases meant a "reduced rate" in Greece.
what actual percentage is the reduction? +10%? Surely, there was testing and you can easily get that number from a study...
How about this, lets just say it's a 10% reduction, and 60% of the population has the vaccine. There should still be a measurable decrease in cases from last year, right? But we don't see that. I wonder why that is?
No one else is benefiting from you getting a vaccine. And most likely, you're not even benefiting... Pfizer is.
Posting graphs or statistics without knowing ANYTHING else is not a good idea. Here's why.
Last year, we had 2500-4000 cases per day with full lockdowns, mask mandates inside or out. And about 80-120 deaths per day. Right now, there is no lock down, and a mask mandate only inside closed areas, except restaurants. Daily cases are now 2000-2500 despite almost no measures, and daily deaths 35-40.
Percentage of patients in ICUs that are unvaccinated/partially vaccinated: 86%. Fully vaccinated: 14%.
What are the covid complications for your age group and what percentage? What are the vaccine complications for your age group and what percentage?
death in my age group by cases is ~0.15 (I was lazy with my math) I was unable to find numbers that would remove fat people from my estimates, so my personal numbers should be far far lower. Here's where I took my numbers from.
death in my age group by cases is ~0.15 (I was lazy with my math) I was unable to find numbers that would remove fat people from my estimates, so my personal numbers should be far far lower. Here's where I took my numbers from.
vaccine safety data is still very murky.
I would want to see the death rates from the vaccine for those age groups for comparison. We know there are deaths from the vaccine and certainly do know they are in the orders magnitude lower than covid deaths.
You assume that the vaccine doesn't work. Your hypothesis is based on the assumption that a "working vaccine works 100%", everyone who gets it is 100% immune and doesn't transmit. We know that is not the case, and that the effectiveness is 75-92% depending on the vaccine and the recipient (age group, health condition, etc).
In Greece, where I closely monitor the data, it does work based on my previous post and the data shows that.
I would want to see the death rates from the vaccine for those age groups for comparison. We know there are deaths from the vaccine and certainly do know they are in the orders magnitude lower than covid deaths.
you know very well that we aren't going to get death or complications rates for the vaccine any time soon. I'd much rather take known chances than unknown chances.
you know very well that we aren't going to get death or complications rates for the vaccine any time soon. I'd much rather take known chances than unknown chances.
Why not? For example, we already know that the myocarditis complication rate, which I assume is your biggest concern since your are in the 12-29 age group, is 41 in 1,000,000. That's 0.0041%.
That's a known number. There are other complications and side effects. They are well known, understood, published and cross verified in journals.
I have yet to see a significant one that is not 100x less in rate compared to serious covid complications (including long covid symptoms that are now on the rise, including for asymptomatic patients, mostly in your age group).
Yes, you are. If the vaccine was 100% effective and there were no deaths, you would simply say the stats are dishonest and they are covering up the deaths and symptoms.
Why not? For example, we already know that the myocarditis complication rate, which I assume is your biggest concern since your are in the 12-29 age group, is 41 in 1,000,000. That's 0.0041%.
That's a known number. There are other complications and side effects. They are well known, understood, published and cross verified in journals.
I have yet to see a significant one that is not 100x less in rate compared to serious covid complications (including long covid symptoms that are now on the rise, including for asymptomatic patients, mostly in your age group).
I'm 31 and not fat or otherwise unhealthy.
I have not found rates for long covid, but the information I've seen suggests that it's primarily in more severe cases. In the end it doesn't really matter, I don't trust the people that are pushing the vaccine so hard, they've lied to us excessively. If I was in a different demographic I would probably swallow my reservations and get it. I'm also 95% sure I already had it.
I don't trust the people that are pushing the vaccine so hard
That's a fair argument, but then again almost all vaccines are pushed hard and only the hardcore antivaxers were against them, and only after the fraudster Andrew Wakefield (the name never ceases to amaze me) made the case against the MMR vaccine.
No one ever really questioned them, even when they were new, like the covid vaccines. In fact, my understanding is that they hailed their arrival with great relief.
No one ever really questioned them, even when they were new, like the covid vaccines. In fact, my understanding is that they hailed their arrival with great relief.
when companies that are obscenely unethical are making a vaccine you'll have that. How ineffective the covid vaccine is doesn't help any.
I'm sure they are, however I would like to ask you to think if you know one incident where the specific companies making these vaccines, have had unethical business practices. Don't google them, just ask yourself. I'm not waiting for an answer.
For example, I know about the opioid crisis in the US and I know the company behind that was Insys. I don't know of any scandal where AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna and J&J were involved, and to the point where it would make me question the vaccine's safety.
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