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Braineack 07-30-2018 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1494147)
I don't like that map.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/america...ven-1532013368


America’s Factory Towns, Once Solidly Blue, Are Now a GOP Haven

A generation ago, Democrats represented much of the country’s manufacturing base. Now, it’s in GOP hands, a swing remaking both parties


WASHINGTON—The Republican Party has become the party of blue-collar America.

After the 1992 election, 15 of the 20 most manufacturing-intensive Congressional districts in America were represented by Democrats. Today, all 20 are held by Republicans.

The shift of manufacturing from a Democratic stronghold to a Republican one is a major force...




AMERICA’S FACTORY TOWNS SHIFT AWAY FROM DEMOCRATS
By Kevin Ryan

A stunning transformation has occurred in America’s factory towns. Once solidly Democratic, the country’s manufacturing centers are now almost entirely Republican. According to a recent Wall Street Journal article:

• In 1992, 15 of the 20 congressional districts with the highest share of manufacturing jobs were represented in congress by Democrats. Today, all 20 are held by Republicans.

• In 1992, Democrat Bill Clinton won 49% of counties in which manufacturing accounted for 25% or more of all jobs. By 2016, Democrat Hillary Clinton won just 5% of manufacturing counties. Republican Donald Trump won 95% of them.

Though some credit goes to Donald Trump and his populist platform, much of the shift occurred before Trump, and can be attributed to two major trends.

1. FACTORIES MOVING OUT OF LIBERAL STRONGHOLDS - The rise of foreign competition in countries with low cost labor has made it increasingly difficult for American manufacturing companies to compete. Many have gone out of business. In 1992, manufacturing made up 15.4% of the U.S. workforce. Today it’s just 8.5%. But those companies that did survive have done so by moving out of high regulation, high tax, big union Democratic cities, and into areas outside suburbs along interstate highways south from Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin, through Ohio and into the Carolinas and the deep South.

The population and local governance in these locations was more conservative, and offered the advantages of lower rates of taxation, unionization, and regulation than the urban regions that manufacturers were fleeing. The factory jobs were filled by white, blue collar workers, most without college degrees, who were socially conservative.

“Manufacturing moved to where the Republican Party has been building strength,” says Jonathan Rodden, a Stanford University political scientist. The transition was so complete, that during the 2016 election, 306 manufacturing-heavy counties voted for Donald Trump. Just 17 voted for Hillary Clinton.

2. BLUE COLLAR WORKERS LEAVING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY - But it wasn’t just factories moving out of Democratic strongholds that contributed to the shift. Many manufacturing counties that used to be solidly Democratic have flipped, and are now GOP havens. Blue collar workers have become increasingly disillusioned with Democratic policies.

A major turning point came when President Clinton pushed to get China into the World Trade Organization in the late 1990s. Many fault the WTO for failing to rein in China on unfair trade practices, which they believe led to the decline of manufacturing in America. The Clintons’ support for NAFTA and other free trade agreements also led to a falling out with blue collar workers.

More recently, the Democratic Party’s abandonment of strong border security policies angered workers who feared increased job competition from immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

Labor union graft and corruption similarly pushed away the working class, many of whom didn’t agree with the politicians that their union dues were going to support. Union membership plunged from 20% of manufacturing workers in 1992 to just 9% today.

“A lot of our workers voted for Trump,” says Neil Douglas, a Democrat who is president of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers in Middletown, Ohio. “The Democrats around here—sometimes we do feel like the party left us.”

Republicans politicians in manufacturing regions took advantage of the rift, pushing “right to work” laws, opposing the unpopular free trade deals, cracking down on illegal immigration, and supporting protectionist measures that the party had previously fought against. Voters in manufacturing regions began voting out Democrats, culminating in 2016’s election of Donald Trump.

“Democrats shifted their attention to career people like in the medical industry, accountants, or lawyers,” Clemson University political scientist David Woodard told the WSJ. But current factory workers, he said, “They all love Trump.”

The Republican Party has become the party of blue-collar America.


BGordon 07-30-2018 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1494144)
It's an interesting assumption, and one that I really wouldn't want to put money on either way.

I predict that 2020 is going to be a landslide election, I just don't have a solid read on which direction.

Not being able to see the future in the tea leaves I would not care to make a prediction yet
..............but................
I did watch CNN highlights last week where a round table discussion came to the conclusion that unless the economy tanks past election results favor the president getting re-elected.
There is no way CNN would admit that without facts and figures to back it up as being correct?
Only one of the people seemed happy to make that assessment.
The rest looked like they would rather gargle with piss than let a Trump positive statement bass their lips.

Braineack 07-30-2018 05:35 PM

quote of the day:

We all died when the tax cuts were passed, how is the economy growing?

reply of the day:

Sorry, but I died when Net Neutrality was struck down

Braineack 07-30-2018 05:45 PM

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...99&oe=5BDA7FD2


to each his ability... (i.e., tax the rich)

Skamba 07-31-2018 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1494039)
Personally, about seven years ago. I found Groningen, in particular, to be an amazing place.

In addition to "more liberal policies," those countries also have an almost exclusively homogeneous population in terms of ethnicity, religion, language and culture. It's hard to have an "disadvantaged group" when everyone is already the same, and there's no need for government to force equality on the people by means of legislative action.

I find it interesting that you included The Netherlands in a list of otherwise Nordic countries. My experience, as an outsider, was that the Dutch seem to share more with their neighbors to the east from a linguistic / cultural standpoint than with the Finns or the Swedes.

Culturally/politically I think we're more aligned with the Nordic countries. Work to live mentality, strong welfare state, love of biking/public transport, coffee drinking are some examples. Although we have a good cultural fit with Germany, there's definitely a lot of differences. I guess Germany is culturally pretty unique anyway, as the post-WW2 guilt (still) significantly affects the country. It's probably one of the most anti-nationalist countries.

Although these countries are relatively homogeneous, all of them have also had an influx of foreigners - I know that about 8% of people living the Netherlands have a non-Dutch passport. I think Sweden has a higher percentage. So there's definitely a need for legislative/regulatory mandated equality. However, I do agree with you that from state to state in the US there's bigger cultural differences than these countries have internally. Which also makes sense, given the large size of the US.

Groningen is a nice city indeed. One of our few student cities (Utrecht, Maastricht, Nijmegen are some others), and quite remote by our standards (2.5 hours away from Amsterdam!). Also relatively untouched during the second world war, so still a lot of visible history.

Skamba 07-31-2018 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1494036)
Scandinavia can keep their socialist democracies, or Democratic socialism, and social progressivism and Progressive socialism, and social nationalism and national socialism. Those people have fundamental historical and cultural differences to us. We have different values with regard to individual freedoms. We already have a set of rules by which we are allowed to conduct our government they provide for a government based on personal Liberty and freedom rather than socialism. Those other countries likely do not.

The more we expand our government and the more our policies reflect creeping socialism intertwining itself into the fabric of our system, the more problems we seem to create for ourselves. We have an entire subculture of useless individuals who don't use some of these programs as a safety net, but rather as a hammock. They have not fallen into the position where they lay. They have never made an attempt to ascend any further up from the fully dependent position into which they were born. And this is a conditioned response due to the rewards being given for this particular behavior. And I do not fault them personally for being useless but rather our politicians for incentivizing this behavior and allowing it to be taught and perpetuated for these several generations since the New Deal.

The New Deal most certainly infringes upon the constitutional rights of many Americans.

I prefer Liberty.

Which I think is a fair and nuanced standpoint. On the other hand, if a significant amount of Americans feel that social policies would provide a net benefit to the country as a whole, then civil discourse and debate would be in order to come to an agreement on what the best way forward is. That's at least the concept of democracy. However, it seems that instead everyone seems to ridicule those with a different opinion, which makes it very hard to come to a common understanding. Not just the US by the way - Brexit is a good example of this in Europe.

Braineack 07-31-2018 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1494153)
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...99&oe=5BDA7FD2


to each his ability... (i.e., tax the rich)


rofl: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5...and-thats-fine


Bernie's 'Medicare for All' Might Cost $32.6 Trillion and That's Fine

An analysis that emphasized the hefty price tag also revealed how it would cut healthcare costs while providing insurance to millions.



Braineack 07-31-2018 08:31 AM

liberals actually believe this:




So, this is stupid.

Here’s why. Imagine that you spend $3,000 on rent and make $10,000 in gross income per month. Now the government gives you and everybody like you a percentage back on your taxes. This creates additional demand in the housing market, as everyone who is competing to take your apartment offers the landlord that extra cash. So the cost escalates for your apartment. Here’s what you’ll be using that extra money for: rent.

This is precisely what happens with every subsidy: you generate more of that which you are subsidizing. If you subsidize rent, you create higher rental prices. Undoubtedly, Harris would then answer that we need rent control – which would lead to less development of real estate, leading to housing shortages. And those housing shortages are supposedly what Harris is attempting to prevent in the first place.

Unintended consequences of bad policy generally outweigh their benefits. The fact that Harris doesn’t get this – or that she does, but doesn’t care so long as she looks generous – should tell people why voting Democrats into Congress is a rather large mistake.

don't believe ben's analysis? source: college tuition costs.



i think it's about time to rent that a Manhattan apt now... need to get that gov't money.

Joe Perez 07-31-2018 06:59 PM

Everybody seems to be freaking our about 3d printed guns right now.

I don't own a 3d printer, but I am somewhat familiar with the properties of thermoplastic materials. Now, being an outsider to the gun-making world, has anyone ever FDM-printed a gun which has managed to fire more than a single round? I'm talking about the durability of the barrel, the firing chamber, etc.

This seems like a lot of hysterics, by people who don't understand materials science, over something that just isn't a real threat.

sixshooter 07-31-2018 07:08 PM

Joe, it's the, "Your children may already be dead! Film at eleven" style of news reporting. Epidemic it isn't.

Braineack 07-31-2018 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1494319)
Everybody seems to be freaking our about 3d printed guns right now.

I don't own a 3d printer, but I am somewhat familiar with the properties of thermoplastic materials. Now, being an outsider to the gun-making world, has anyone ever FDM-printed a gun which has managed to fire more than a single round? I'm talking about the durability of the barrel, the firing chamber, etc.

This seems like a lot of hysterics, by people who don't understand materials science, over something that just isn't a real threat.

a depressed nerd spends $500 on a 3d printer and makes a gun and buys bullets and shoots a single shot.

or

a depressed nerd spends $500 on a gun and buys bullets and shoots a single shot multiple times.


what if oranges were blue?

Joe Perez 07-31-2018 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1494324)
Joe, it's the, "Your children may already be dead! Film at eleven" style of news reporting. Epidemic it isn't.

And I'd understand that if we were talking strictly about CNN and USA Today.

But I'm talking about All Things Considered here. And, speaking from personal experience, NPR does not knowingly endorse hysteria and hyperbole.

I get that most reporters didn't take Properties of Materials in college, don't understand the physics behind the operation of a firearm, and probably aren't even fluent in 3d-printing technology. That's fine. Their job is to interview people who do know what they're talking about. So when I hear law-enforcement officials talking about the holocaust which is going to ensue when people can print their own plastic guns, I'm flabbergasted.

I honestly don't know whether they are unaware of the fact that physics and chemistry simply don't allow a repeating firearm to be made from ABS plastic, but it seems like they should be.

I could be wrong. I often am when predicting the future. But claiming that it's ever going to be possible to create a reliable, workable semi-automatic rifle using nothing but 3d printed parts strikes me as akin to someone in the mid 1970s, when the consumer-grade 2d printer first started to become available, that people would someday be cranking out complete, hard bound copies of Melville first-editions in their den. A dot-matrix (or inkjet, or dye-sub, or laser) printer isn't capable of doing the same job as a book-binding plant, in much the same way that an FDM printer isn't capable of doing the same job as a gunsmithing lathe.




Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1494328)
what if oranges were blue?

Then they'd reflect light at a wavelength of ~450–495 nm, and dumb people would think they were clever by saying "Why the hell do we call these oranges, when they're not even orange? We should call them blues," to which their vapid friends would laugh because they felt obligated to.

Braineack 07-31-2018 08:24 PM

1min


Braineack 07-31-2018 08:46 PM

Liberals are terrorists.


A cat burglar stalking South Dakota led police to a terrifying discovery: a bomb making factory littered in communist propaganda.


Throughout June and July, a series of burglaries ripped across Tea and Dell Rapids, South Dakota. Police had a hunch who might be behind them and obtained a search warrant for the home of a Sioux Falls man. When they entered the unassuming, suburban apartment complex last Tuesday, they found the place littered in materials connected to the domestic terrorist organization known as antifa. Then they found the arsenal.

43-year-old Mark Einerwold was arrested after authorities found the stash of firearms, bomb making material, and communist and anti-police literature. DANGEROUS spoke with Minnehaha County Sheriff’s Captain Jason Gearman of the Sioux Falls Detective Bureau who elaborated the materials connected with antifa were paper flyers and print outs. Gearman said the materials cops found “indicated an intense distain for police, law enforcement,” and even “firefighters.”

“I don’t get it,” Gearman said, “everybody likes firefighters.” Antifa has been steadily escalating both physical violence and rhetoric since the 2016 election. They’ve been known to recruit drug addicts and the mentally ill as they openly propagate violent intentions on social media platforms as well as their own blogs. Antifa’s targets are usually patriotic groups -who they regularly gaslight by labeling them “Nazis” or “fascists.”


Braineack 07-31-2018 08:47 PM

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...25&oe=5BD756A1

Braineack 07-31-2018 08:48 PM

liberals dont understand what laws are.


Braineack 07-31-2018 08:49 PM

david hogg is a genios.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...0b&oe=5C0E93BF

Braineack 07-31-2018 08:52 PM

liberals :insert dumb thing:


FACEBOOK SAYS IT HAS IDENTIFIED A POLITICAL INFLUENCE CAMPAIGN AIMED AT CREATING LEFT WING “RESISTANCE”
By Kevin Ryan

Facebook announced today that it has identified a coordinated effort to use fake accounts and pages on Facebook and Instagram to stir up left wing resistance in America. One page, called “Resisters,” created an event called “No Unite the Right 2 — DC”, a counterprotest to an upcoming “Unite the Right” march in Washington DC. Facebook said it disabled the event.

A coordinated effort to promote #AbolishICE, a left-wing campaign to end the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, was also detected.

The company said it identified eight Facebook pages, 17 Facebook profiles, and seven Instagram accounts two weeks ago, and has been working with the F.B.I. to investigate the activity.

Facebook officials have been unable to tie the accounts to Russia, but say that Russia was possibly involved. “We’re still in the very early stages of our investigation and don’t have all the facts — including who may be behind this,” the company said in a statement. “But we are sharing what we know today given the connection between these bad actors and protests that are planned in Washington next week.”

In 2016, Russia allegedly undertook a similar covert operation intending to push divisive social issues and influence the election. Fake pages promoting the Black Lives Matter movement, for example, were part of a wider scheme to sow discord and influence public opinion.

With the 2018 midterm elections approaching, Facebook is trying to uncover similar efforts. It has expanded its security team, hired counterterrorism experts, and recruited workers with government security clearances. It is also requiring political advertisers to register with a domestic mailing address.


Braineack 07-31-2018 08:55 PM

I told my league of 5 years I'll no longer being doing Fantasy Football this year...


https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5BD009F0

Braineack 07-31-2018 08:58 PM

liberals actually believe this:

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...83&oe=5BCF4D9C


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