Skamba

I think that for that time frame and context (e.g. weak rule of law, firearms not easily used for mass murder - e.g. a blunderbuss) it makes a lot of sense. Nowadays, I don't think it does.

sixshooter

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What if his suspicion was well founded? I posit to you that the same intellect crippling malnutrition that pervades west Africa today existed during the time of Jefferson. I know several who have worked and traveled in the region that reported not just a lack of education but an unfortunate lack of capacity of thought among many populations of peasants. It is attributed to a lack of regular consumption of protein and a limited diet consisting primarily of fufu.

But you can mount an ad-homenem attack rather than addressing the point at hand if you wish. It's your keyboard.

I assume since the constitution was written 200 years ago it is also silly in your eyes.

Joe Perez

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Trump rallies contain some percentage of people who hate socialism, liberalism, gays, and brown people.

Sanders rallies contain some percentage of people who hate capitalism, conservatism, and straight white men.

You kind of have to expect that when you have politicians to lean so far towards the ludicrous extremes of their representative platform.


But that's not what I was asking.

By putting people holding signs saying "Build the Wall" and "Lock her Up" under the same banner as those holding signs saying "Kill 'em all" and "Ban the Muslims," the author is encouraging the reader to accept that promoting border security and accountability for those who commit crimes is somehow equivalent to those who would favor mass murder and religious / ethnic persecution.

Those concepts are not at all equal in reality, but we live in a post-truth society, in which those at the most absurd extreme of the liberal party need to believe that they are, in order to paint a more complete picture of their supposed opponent as pure evil and literally Hitler.

sixshooter

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The author would be a fool to presuppose the mindsets of thousands of individuals at a rally. But it is certainly within the norms of the Left to attribute evil motives to anyone with whom they disagree. Many who support Trump are merely against big government, against the political machine (Trump is an outsider), for personal liberty, and for the enforcement of existing laws to preserve order.

Race has two reasons to exist in the argument:
1. Jack
2. ****

Race is the red-herring dog whistle for the Left. Its a tool used by the liberal white elites to keep the voting block of blacks and Hispanics on the plantation. They are simply some of the "useful idiots" described by Marx, mere pawns to the elites.

Skamba

Fair point, hadn't looked at it like that. I agree with you that the wording on the signs should've been restricted to actual hateful comments.

On the other hand, I do think that Trump rallies are generally more hate fueled than Sanders rallies. I don't think you'll be able to find clips similar to these from people at a Sanders rally:

Skamba

I don't think you need to presuppose their mindsets - merely their actions and words. Furthermore, I don't specifically think merely the left tries to attribute evil motives to those they disagree with. In fact, you need to look no further than this thread to find a good example of the opposite - Brainy calling all liberals pedophiles.

As a small side note: Trump (and other republicans) don't have a very good track record of reducing (federal) government spending. Neither party seems to be great if you want small government.

wherestheboost

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Much of that might be a function of magnitude. You have ...1...2...5 clowns in a rally of... a lot of people? Small fraction. When applying that fraction to a Sander's rally, you'd probably end up at a fraction of a being, and as such "less hate fueled."

They LOVE to umbrella his rhetoric...saying he and his followers hate immigrants. They have that HALF right. The beef is against illegal immigrants...someone who has snuck/broke/slipped into the USA. Either we change the "law" so that breaking in and sneaking in is NOT illegal, or we uphold the law. Or else, what's the point?

wherestheboost

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Brain saying all libs are pedos = not a good thing. Lumping people that are pro-borders and pro-accountability (Clinton) with those who want to murder people because of their faith = also not a good thing.

DNMakinson

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What do you mean that Sander's rallies are not offensive. He is in support of a full on socialist (really communistic) nation. Historically, that means he comes to kill, steal, and destroy. Oh, that's Satan. Well, if the shoe fits....

Skamba

I can agree with this statement. But threads like this one, where people generalize significantly are not helping I think. Nor do the media. Typical democrats and republicans are closer than you'd imagine.

Interesting is also the perception gap. It might be fun to do the quiz, takes like 2 minutes.

Hope y'all don't mistake my criticisms of the US political system for a dislike of the country, by the way. I think Americans are (generally) great people, and the country is beautiful. I'll be visiting again soon:

Skamba

It's a shame that Sanders is saying he's a socialist, as his intended policies are not (classically) socialist. He wants to adopt a Nordic model. Funnily enough, Denmark's prime minister denied that they are a socialist country. Because of this (and more), I'm also not a fan of Sanders. However, I haven't heard any hateful chants at his rallies yet, which was the point I was trying to make.

wherestheboost

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Fun times... Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland don't have minimum wages. They might go into another conversation about unions, and other compensation. At the end it's still a numbers game. How many people is the US obligated to serve - I'd say it's limited to its citizens. How much does it cost. Layout of the budget plan, and let the voters vote. If there was a transparent plan (costs) that would service the entirety of the US without a ridiculous tax penalty (hell - even say 40%), I MIGHT be inclined to join in. BUT first try to convince me that the government does a great job at managing healthcare or any other large organism... then we'll actually start talking.

Even the wall...the border. We're talking about taking in another influx of people - yet these local governments STILL don't know how to deal with the homeless and veterans. How can a person (citizen) on the street trying to get a minimum wage job compete when there's seemingly an unlimited supply of manpower willing to work under the table without benefits for $6/hr? No single party is innocent or guilty. We should be able to agree that this loophole needs to be shut down hard.

Braineack

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TIL someone in this thread is a big ******* ***** cry baby.

Joe Perez

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You had me right up until you mentioned CO2.

As a fellow smart person, I know it's difficult to resist the urge to consider yourself an authority on all subjects because you are an authority on one. But this is an arena in which I recognize that my own education and experience is not adequate to make an informed opinion, and so, much as in surgery and legal defense, I defer to those who have made their career on the subject.

Climate change is not inherently a political thing. Yes, liberal politicians have latched onto it in recent decades, but it is at heart a scientific matter, originated by climate scientists and rigorously studied and theorized upon by climate scientists. There is a broad consensus among people who study atmospheric science (and physics, and chemistry, and thermodynamics) for a living, and a large body of data and studies, which indicate that increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere positively correlate with increased mean average surface temperatures, which in turn positively correlate with deleterious effects to life both direct and indirect.

And there's virtually no credible data which concludes otherwise. (Lots of opinions, lots of logical fallacies, but very little actual data.)


Now, if a bunch a politicians are telling me that I need to hate and fear a certain group of people or else, I'm probably going to be skeptical.

But if five different Oncologists are all telling me that I have a certain type of cancer and need to get such-and-such treatment or else I'm going to die, there's an excellent chance that I'm going to believe them even if it seems counter-intuitive to me because I feel fine.



See "virtue signaling." Acting in a certain way in order to be perceived by others to have certain qualities or virtues.

This one's easy. Most members of the Church of Sanders*, being of a fundamentally socialist mindset, disagree with the notions of non-communal ownership of property. As such, it's morally wrong to exclude non-citizens from the richness of the USSA. Thus, politicians wishing to appeal to said crowd much signify that they agree with this.





No question about that. Just the same lack of comprehension on a certain part of the electorate which assumes that social services (free heathcare, free tuition, etc) are also unbounded.




Because those aren't hot-button issues that their voters are fixated on right now.

If you could prove that Boeing made large financial contributions to organizations which are opposed to gay marriage / LGBT rights, then I can assure you that the CEO of Boeing would be testifying before Congress right now, and their senior management would all be on trial for a variety of crimes ranging from negligent homicide to unfair working conditions.

Not sure why Tesla made your list.



It seems rather obvious to me.

poormxdad

Complete bullshit. I received my bachelor's in chemistry and started my master's in Environmental Science at UTSA before I PSC'd. There's no credible evidence that CO2 is THE cause of anything climate related. None. Climate is affected by thousands of factors. However, I said the idea that "CO2 is a pollutant" is ridiculous.

Read this for starters. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...exist-practice

Man-made, CO2-based, climate change is a hoax. CO2 is a building block of life. It's complete bullshiit.

Joe Perez

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Substitute "fascist, homophobic, **** bigot" for "big ******* ***** cry baby" and that sentence could just have easily come from someone wearing a *****-hat instead of a MAGA-hat.

Please don't post things that make me think of you in that context.

Joe Perez

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I'm gonna start this over again as a new post. I'd written a rather long post before this one, but I've deleted it, as I didn't notice the key fallacy until the very end.

That article you linked to above? It was written by Tyler Durden.

Tyler Durden is the name of a fictional character from the 1999 film Fight Club. In that film, Tyler Durden was the imaginary friend of a man with a boring and ordinary life, whom he imagined doing amazing things to expose hypocrisy and turn society's lies in their face. The character (the imaginary one) was played by Brad Pitt, and you'll notice that the avatar in the post you linked to bears a striking resemblance to Brad Pitt. That's because it's a still-frame capture from the film.

In the end, he (the real guy) shot himself in the head after discovering the fact that he (the imaginary guy) was a figment of his own imagination.


-=> Are you seriously citing this as a source in a discussion about environmental science? <=-


I'm sorry, dude, but credible scientists do not publish scholarly research under the pseudonym of fictional, imaginary sociopaths.

poormxdad

Joe, I do not believe Tyler Durden actually writes any of these articles. He's a fictional character, as you say. Click the link in that second paragraph, the italicized one. There are quite a few links.

Or this. https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doom...founding-flaw/

I doubt "John McLean" is that author's real name.

I like Burt Rutan's discussions. https://rps3.com/Pages/Burt_Rutan_on_Climate_Change.htm

Skamba

You made a lot of good points before, shame you have to ruin that with a conspiracy theory.

sixshooter

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http://www.co2coalition.org/wp-conte...he-World-2.pdf

https://www.thegwpf.org/climate-doom...ide-emissions/

https://forestrypedia.com/the-benefi...-di-oxide-co2/

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-07-bene...de-driven.html

https://granthaminstitute.com/2015/1...and-the-wrong/