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08-04-2019, 03:06 PM
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Based upon empirical observation of the past decade or so, I would say that yes, a significant proportion of the American population (perhaps approaching a majority) wants low-cost, bargain basement freedom.
I initially read your post as implying that the price of freedom was occasional mass-executions. That's a concept which I associate more with Cambodia, Burma, Miata.net, Vietnam, etc.
I initially read your post as implying that the price of freedom was occasional mass-executions. That's a concept which I associate more with Cambodia, Burma, Miata.net, Vietnam, etc.
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08-04-2019, 05:21 PM
Where to even begin? I'll just say if you can't read the bias between the lines, it would be a fool's errand for me to try and point them out individually to you, as you are very likely aligned with them and see them as accurate on face value. Not looking to go down that rabbit hole with you here.
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08-04-2019, 10:59 PM
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Donald Trump has been directly cited as a motivating factor for violence in at least 5 terrorist plots and 61 murders.
Lest anyone get too comfortable believing that words don’t matter and Donald Trump’s nativist rhetoric is merely a political “nothing burger,” it is worth noting that the President of the United States has been directly cited as motivation for violent acts in at least five terrorist plots and 61 murders.
Not all of these incidents were successful, but the intent to harm was real for each and every one.
At a time when his rallies carry chants of “Send her back!” as Trump targets a sitting U.S. congresswoman, let us remember the people who took his words to heart and moved forward with action.
New Zealand Attack
Australian-born Brenton Tarrant published a manifesto before he walked into two Christchurch, New Zealand, mosques and shot dozens of worshipping Muslims. In that manifesto, the terrorist praised Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose".
Tarrant killed 51 people and wounded over a dozen more with his attacks.
Coast Guard Shooter
Coast Guard Lt. Christopher Paul Hasson didn’t have the chance to act on his vile plans, but prosecutors labeled him a “domestic terrorist” nonetheless, saying his goal was “to murder innocent civilians on a scale rarely seen in this country.”
The self-proclaimed white nationalist and skinhead had a list of intended targets, which “included, among others, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Maxine Waters, Senator Richard Blumenthal, whom he referred to as “Sen blumen jew,” and many of the senators running for president in 2020.”
Hasson was one who advocated civil war if Trump were to be impeached, according to his internet searches.
MAGA Bomber
Cesar Sayoc Jr. was an avid Trump fan, posting photos of himself wearing the trademark red “Make America Great Again” baseball cap, attending the president’s rallies, and driving a van plastered with hateful stickers and photos of the Trump and Vice President Pence.
The MAGA bomber went on to send pipe bombs to numerous left-wing individuals, including billionaire philanthropist George Soros, former Vice President Joe Biden, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
No one was injured by the devices, and Sayoc pleaded guilty to 65 felonies for mailing the bombs.
Waffle House Shooting
Waffle house shooter Travis Reinking “wanted to set up a meeting with the president,” according to authorities.
The Morton, Illinois, resident was arrested in April 2018 on multiple counts of criminal homicide in shootings at a Nashville Waffle House that killed four people.
Quebec Mosque Attack
Six people were killed in Quebec when Alexandre Bissonnette walked into an Islamic Cultural Center and unloaded 48 rounds on dozens of men wrapping up their evening prayers.
“During the often chilling hearing, prosecutors, survivors, prison psychologists and people who knew Mr. Bissonnette painted a portrait of a socially isolated but intelligent young man who developed an obsession with the far right, mass killers, Donald Trump and Muslims,” The New York Times reported in May 2018.
With Trump’s 2020 campaign strategy looking as hate-filled as his 2016 approach, it is likely only a matter of time until another individual takes the president’s words to heart and more people are burying their loved ones.
Donald Trump has been directly cited as a motivating factor for violence in at least 5 terrorist plots and 61 murders.
Lest anyone get too comfortable believing that words don’t matter and Donald Trump’s nativist rhetoric is merely a political “nothing burger,” it is worth noting that the President of the United States has been directly cited as motivation for violent acts in at least five terrorist plots and 61 murders.
Not all of these incidents were successful, but the intent to harm was real for each and every one.
At a time when his rallies carry chants of “Send her back!” as Trump targets a sitting U.S. congresswoman, let us remember the people who took his words to heart and moved forward with action.
New Zealand Attack
Australian-born Brenton Tarrant published a manifesto before he walked into two Christchurch, New Zealand, mosques and shot dozens of worshipping Muslims. In that manifesto, the terrorist praised Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose".
Tarrant killed 51 people and wounded over a dozen more with his attacks.
Coast Guard Shooter
Coast Guard Lt. Christopher Paul Hasson didn’t have the chance to act on his vile plans, but prosecutors labeled him a “domestic terrorist” nonetheless, saying his goal was “to murder innocent civilians on a scale rarely seen in this country.”
The self-proclaimed white nationalist and skinhead had a list of intended targets, which “included, among others, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Maxine Waters, Senator Richard Blumenthal, whom he referred to as “Sen blumen jew,” and many of the senators running for president in 2020.”
Hasson was one who advocated civil war if Trump were to be impeached, according to his internet searches.
MAGA Bomber
Cesar Sayoc Jr. was an avid Trump fan, posting photos of himself wearing the trademark red “Make America Great Again” baseball cap, attending the president’s rallies, and driving a van plastered with hateful stickers and photos of the Trump and Vice President Pence.
The MAGA bomber went on to send pipe bombs to numerous left-wing individuals, including billionaire philanthropist George Soros, former Vice President Joe Biden, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
No one was injured by the devices, and Sayoc pleaded guilty to 65 felonies for mailing the bombs.
Waffle House Shooting
Waffle house shooter Travis Reinking “wanted to set up a meeting with the president,” according to authorities.
The Morton, Illinois, resident was arrested in April 2018 on multiple counts of criminal homicide in shootings at a Nashville Waffle House that killed four people.
Quebec Mosque Attack
Six people were killed in Quebec when Alexandre Bissonnette walked into an Islamic Cultural Center and unloaded 48 rounds on dozens of men wrapping up their evening prayers.
“During the often chilling hearing, prosecutors, survivors, prison psychologists and people who knew Mr. Bissonnette painted a portrait of a socially isolated but intelligent young man who developed an obsession with the far right, mass killers, Donald Trump and Muslims,” The New York Times reported in May 2018.
With Trump’s 2020 campaign strategy looking as hate-filled as his 2016 approach, it is likely only a matter of time until another individual takes the president’s words to heart and more people are burying their loved ones.
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08-05-2019, 09:29 AM
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I find your list strangely convenient for your narrative.
I find this one strangely convenient to refute yours as well:
68 out of 99 are not Trump supporters.
**** your cherry picked incidents, Triple88a.
Where's the Dayton shooter in your list,m where's the El Paso shooter?
Also one word: Hodgekinson.
give me a ******* break, NPC.
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08-05-2019, 09:39 AM
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Also, if you had a clue, we all know that Mass Shootings are caused by 8chan. This is fact.
https://new.blog.cloudflare.com/term...AIHYEByzXn2c3E
The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.
Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.
8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.
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actually, it's @prisonplanet who is the cause for all the mass shootings:
https://new.blog.cloudflare.com/term...AIHYEByzXn2c3E
Terminating Service for 8Chan
August 05, 2019 1:44AMThe mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.
Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.
8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.
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actually, it's @prisonplanet who is the cause for all the mass shootings:
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08-05-2019, 09:54 AM
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Just another night in Chicago, Trump was really busy getting his Black voters all incited:
A man and a woman were in a car traveling south bound at 69th and Wentworth in the Greater Grand Crossing neighborhood when the shooter in a silver sedan fired shots. The driver a male 21, then struck a light box and sustained fatal gsw’s to the torso and was pronounced on scene. He is still in the car Victim#2 a female 20, was taken to U of C in stable condition with gsw’s to the left arm. No one is in custody. Area South investigating. On background – the male victim was known to police
Update:1 killed, 4 wounded in Mass Shooting. 5 people reported shot at a block party on 18th and Kildare in the Lawndale neighborhood area central is investigating
3 shot at Potomac and Parkside in the Austin neighborhood. The victims were standing outside of a vehicle when two male shooters emerged from an alley and fired several shots in their direction. The victims drove to West Sub hospital. Vic #1 female, 21, is in critical and will be transferred to Stroger from west sub hospital with multiple gsw’s to the right arm and graze to head. Vic #2 male 23, is in stable condition at west sub hospital with a gsw to the left leg. Vic #3 male 22 is in stable condition at west sub hospital with a gsw to the right leg. No one is in custody. Area North investigating.
2 people shot at 13th and Troy in the North Lawndale neighborhood at a street party blocks away from the mass shooting of seven people in Douglas Park. Update: The victims were standing on the street when shots were fired. Vic#1 female was self-transported to Mt. Sinai in stable condition with a gsw to the left hand. Vic#2 female 26, adult was transported to Stroger in stable condition with gsw’s to the buttocks and hip. No one is in custody. Area Central investigating.
MASS Shooting ALERT: 7 people shot in Douglas park at Roosevelt and Richmond in the North Lawndale neighborhood The victims were all standing in the park when the shooters fired shots from a black Camaro. Vic#1 a male 21, was taken to Mt. Sinai in critical condition with a gsw to the groin. Vic#2 a female 25, was taken to Mt. Sinai in stable condition with a gsw to the right arm and right leg. Vic#3 a male 20, was taken to Stroger in stable condition with a gsw to the right side of the body. Vic#4 female 19, was taken to Stroger in stable condition with a gsw to the right leg. Vic#5 a female adult was taken to Mt. Sinai in stable condition. Two other victims were self-transported. That information will be posted as soon as it is received. No one is in custody. Area Central investigating.
UPDATE: Shooting in the streets of Heart of Chicago neighborhood at 22nd and Damen. A 17-year-old male was a passenger in a traveling vehicle when he was shot three times in the arm by an unknown shooter. The teen stated he does not know where the shots came from and did not see the shooter. He was transported to Stroger in stable condition after his friend drove to the 1900 Block of W. 33rd St where CFD responded. No one is in custody as Area Central detectives investigating.
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08-05-2019, 11:10 AM
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08-05-2019, 11:33 AM
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triple88a, do you believe that there is a fundamental difference between
1: A drive-by shooting in Chicago, of a group of criminals who are hanging around a park at 1:30am, and
2: The murder of a bunch of people chosen semi-randomly in order to make a political statement, with a manifesto having been issues?
If so, then you and Braineack are not going to be able to productively discuss this issue.
1: A drive-by shooting in Chicago, of a group of criminals who are hanging around a park at 1:30am, and
2: The murder of a bunch of people chosen semi-randomly in order to make a political statement, with a manifesto having been issues?
If so, then you and Braineack are not going to be able to productively discuss this issue.
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08-05-2019, 11:51 AM
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This is the product of long term peace and economic success - or in another all-encompassing word... comfort. We are slowly becoming a larger and larger populace who has known more about comfort than discomfort.
Aziz said it in his last special - that I actually enjoyed - (paraphrasing) - every generation has their ****. Can you imagine if we had a draft right now? xD
Aziz said it in his last special - that I actually enjoyed - (paraphrasing) - every generation has their ****. Can you imagine if we had a draft right now? xD
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08-05-2019, 11:52 AM
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At some point I should be stop being surprised at the intellectual gyrations people will put themselves through in order to justify their own beliefs, in spite of all evidence to the contrary. Relevant today:
- Rock music and video games can incite violence, but the words and actions of a racist/xenophobic president/political opportunist have nothing to do with it.
- A country must have guns to have freedom, even though 80%+ of the world's nations have freedom and far less access to guns. Also far less gun violence.
- Putting limits around the type of weapons people have access to won't decrease mortality of these events, but private citizens need to own assault rifles because a .38 revolver wouldn't be as effective for hunting pigs.
- The solution to crazy/bad people with guns is actually more guns, in a country where there are already more guns than people.
- The problem is not guns but mental illness. But every country has mentally ill people. And most of the shooters don't have a history of mental illness.
It goes on and on...
- Rock music and video games can incite violence, but the words and actions of a racist/xenophobic president/political opportunist have nothing to do with it.
- A country must have guns to have freedom, even though 80%+ of the world's nations have freedom and far less access to guns. Also far less gun violence.
- Putting limits around the type of weapons people have access to won't decrease mortality of these events, but private citizens need to own assault rifles because a .38 revolver wouldn't be as effective for hunting pigs.
- The solution to crazy/bad people with guns is actually more guns, in a country where there are already more guns than people.
- The problem is not guns but mental illness. But every country has mentally ill people. And most of the shooters don't have a history of mental illness.
It goes on and on...
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08-05-2019, 11:52 AM
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triple88a, do you believe that there is a fundamental difference between
1: A drive-by shooting in Chicago, of a group of criminals who are hanging around a park at 1:30am, and
2: The murder of a bunch of people chosen semi-randomly in order to make a political statement, with a manifesto having been issues?
If so, then you and Braineack are not going to be able to productively discuss this issue.
1: A drive-by shooting in Chicago, of a group of criminals who are hanging around a park at 1:30am, and
2: The murder of a bunch of people chosen semi-randomly in order to make a political statement, with a manifesto having been issues?
If so, then you and Braineack are not going to be able to productively discuss this issue.
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08-05-2019, 11:57 AM
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- A country must have guns to have freedom, even though 80%+ of the world's nations have freedom and far less access to guns. Also far less gun violence.
- Putting limits around the type of weapons people have access to can't decrease mortality of these events, but private citizens need to own assault rifles because a .38 revolver wouldn't be as effective for hunting pigs.
- The solution to crazy/bad people with guns is actually more guns, in a country where there are already more guns than people.
- The problem is not guns but mental illness. But every country has mentally ill people. And most of the shooters don't have a history of mental illness.
- Putting limits around the type of weapons people have access to can't decrease mortality of these events, but private citizens need to own assault rifles because a .38 revolver wouldn't be as effective for hunting pigs.
- The solution to crazy/bad people with guns is actually more guns, in a country where there are already more guns than people.
- The problem is not guns but mental illness. But every country has mentally ill people. And most of the shooters don't have a history of mental illness.
also, how many acid/knife attacks are there in in the UK a year? People find a way to kill/hurt other people. Please move to Mexico or Canada.
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08-05-2019, 12:03 PM
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At some point I should be stop being surprised at the intellectual gyrations people will put themselves through in order to justify their own beliefs, in spite of all evidence to the contrary. Relevant today:
- Rock music and video games can incite violence, but the words and actions of a racist/xenophobic president/political opportunist have nothing to do with it.
- A country must have guns to have freedom, even though 80%+ of the world's nations have freedom and far less access to guns. Also far less gun violence.
- Putting limits around the type of weapons people have access to won't decrease mortality of these events, but private citizens need to own assault rifles because a .38 revolver wouldn't be as effective for hunting pigs.
- The solution to crazy/bad people with guns is actually more guns, in a country where there are already more guns than people.
- The problem is not guns but mental illness. But every country has mentally ill people. And most of the shooters don't have a history of mental illness.
It goes on and on...
- Rock music and video games can incite violence, but the words and actions of a racist/xenophobic president/political opportunist have nothing to do with it.
- A country must have guns to have freedom, even though 80%+ of the world's nations have freedom and far less access to guns. Also far less gun violence.
- Putting limits around the type of weapons people have access to won't decrease mortality of these events, but private citizens need to own assault rifles because a .38 revolver wouldn't be as effective for hunting pigs.
- The solution to crazy/bad people with guns is actually more guns, in a country where there are already more guns than people.
- The problem is not guns but mental illness. But every country has mentally ill people. And most of the shooters don't have a history of mental illness.
It goes on and on...
The US has ~40% of the world's guns while being only 4% of the world's population. If there truly was a gun (not user) issue - I think it should be much much worse just by looking at ratios. UK banned guns a while ago...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089
And now...they're dealing with knife issues. They're probably going to ban those next if they haven't already. I wanted to take note of the last bullet point you made about mental illness. I did keep hearing about the probabilities about medication and such. That combined with our general silo-society I do imagine as a serious factor that shouldn't be disregarded. Much of the rest of the world - if combining third world, etc - has a larger community aspect than what would be found here in the US. Still a long discussion. But overall if you look at OUR history... the US has always had guns. What has changed in the past 2 decades? We need to stop focusing on the smoke and look for the fire.
Edit: Damnit brain - why you gotta beat me by 6 minutes?
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08-05-2019, 12:09 PM
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I literally laughed out loud when I saw this. "For believers, no evidence is needed. For skeptics, no evidence is enough."
The Dayton killer shot 29 people in 30 seconds. Try that with a knife.
It would cost too much to import my Miata.
It would cost too much to import my Miata.
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08-05-2019, 12:16 PM
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"If you spend a significant portion of your platform telling me a human life is extinguishable because it’s inconvenient - then suddenly suggest I am part of the problem of mass murder because I carry the same tools to protect my life and family. You can go directly to hell. Do not pass go, do not collect 200."
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