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12-30-2019, 09:55 AM
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Well, conducting wild experiments and forcing your child to undergo surgeries in order to create a new/different child, but ultimately creating a repulsive monster was kind of the analogy here.
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12-30-2019, 09:59 AM
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Here's some other creditable journalism on the topic:
On Sunday broadcast of MSNBC’s “Live,” New York Governor Andrew Cuomo commented on five people being stabbed in an attack at a synagogue in New York’s Rockland County.
Cuomo said, “We tend to treat these situations as isolated episodes, but really if we just connect the dots, we have a pattern of hate in this nation that is only getting worse. We’ve seen almost weekly attacks on people based on race, color, creed. It’s hate-motivated. Apparently, there was another shooting in Texas today in a church. We’ve seen attacks against African-Americans, Latinos, LGBTQ community. And let’s call it what it is and let government act because this can destroy this nation. It is corrosive. It’s an American cancer.”
He continued, “It starts at the top, and then it goes on to a point where it becomes viral across this nation. And it is now viral. And you see it coming to the surface in different manifestations from coast to coast. And we’re comforted treated it as isolated episodes, but there’s a pattern to all of this, and it spells hate.”
He added, What can anyone make of President Trump’s tweets? They say more about the sender than anything else. New York, he believes, is a Democratic state, and this is how he plays to his partisan base by demonizing Democrats. Democrats are evil, Democrats are bad, Democrats have lost their mind, they’re anti-American. You foment that hate, and then you’re shocked when you see these episodes of hate all across the country? That has now become the dialogue and the currency of this nation, and it’s in politics, but then it resonates out of the politics into society. And now you see people who are acting out on those hateful acts and people are impressionable, and some people are lost, and some people are vessels and some people are ill, and they hear it and they respond.”
Cuomo said, “We tend to treat these situations as isolated episodes, but really if we just connect the dots, we have a pattern of hate in this nation that is only getting worse. We’ve seen almost weekly attacks on people based on race, color, creed. It’s hate-motivated. Apparently, there was another shooting in Texas today in a church. We’ve seen attacks against African-Americans, Latinos, LGBTQ community. And let’s call it what it is and let government act because this can destroy this nation. It is corrosive. It’s an American cancer.”
He continued, “It starts at the top, and then it goes on to a point where it becomes viral across this nation. And it is now viral. And you see it coming to the surface in different manifestations from coast to coast. And we’re comforted treated it as isolated episodes, but there’s a pattern to all of this, and it spells hate.”
He added, What can anyone make of President Trump’s tweets? They say more about the sender than anything else. New York, he believes, is a Democratic state, and this is how he plays to his partisan base by demonizing Democrats. Democrats are evil, Democrats are bad, Democrats have lost their mind, they’re anti-American. You foment that hate, and then you’re shocked when you see these episodes of hate all across the country? That has now become the dialogue and the currency of this nation, and it’s in politics, but then it resonates out of the politics into society. And now you see people who are acting out on those hateful acts and people are impressionable, and some people are lost, and some people are vessels and some people are ill, and they hear it and they respond.”
On Sunday broadcast of MSNBC’s “Weekends,” New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio commented on five people being stabbed in an attack at a synagogue in New York’s Rockland County.
De Blasio said, “For the last three years in this country the forces of hate have been unleashed, and we see more and more violence associated with those hateful impulses. Some of it organized and premeditated. The uptick in hate crimes in this city has led the NYPD to recognize we’ve got to get under the skin of these trends and see if they can disrupt them.”
He continued, “We’ve also known for years that there are white supremacists forces that are organizing to do violence. We know about the militias in some parts of the country. They’ve targeted law enforcement. These right-wing militias have targeted law enforcement for years in this country. Unfortunately, that trend is growing, that form of extremism. We’ve got to be able to track it and disrupt it in a way that, honestly, we didn’t face before in the city, nor much of the country. But let’s be honest, the last three years everything has changed. Once hate gets normalized, it spreads like wildfire, and it takes a more violent form, and we’ve got to stop it now before we end up making the wrong kind of history.”
He added, “It’s not a time for a partisan discussion, but it is a time to say some of the most hateful speech is emanating from Washington, D.C. What we need our president to do is be a unifier, a calming positive voice, reminding us of what we have in common as Americans. That’s what presidents have done for generations. We’ve missed that. And the hateful speech even if it’s not inciting specific violence, let’s face it, we have seen these violent forces emboldened. We saw it in Charlottesville. We’ve seen it all over the country. And we’ve got to be honest about it without falling into a partisan battle to say something is different in recent years. I’ll be the first to say there were other problems before that. There were campus shootings and other horrible things, but the connection to racial and ethnic motivation, that has been growing in the last few years, and that’s what we’ve got to stop.”
De Blasio said, “For the last three years in this country the forces of hate have been unleashed, and we see more and more violence associated with those hateful impulses. Some of it organized and premeditated. The uptick in hate crimes in this city has led the NYPD to recognize we’ve got to get under the skin of these trends and see if they can disrupt them.”
He continued, “We’ve also known for years that there are white supremacists forces that are organizing to do violence. We know about the militias in some parts of the country. They’ve targeted law enforcement. These right-wing militias have targeted law enforcement for years in this country. Unfortunately, that trend is growing, that form of extremism. We’ve got to be able to track it and disrupt it in a way that, honestly, we didn’t face before in the city, nor much of the country. But let’s be honest, the last three years everything has changed. Once hate gets normalized, it spreads like wildfire, and it takes a more violent form, and we’ve got to stop it now before we end up making the wrong kind of history.”
He added, “It’s not a time for a partisan discussion, but it is a time to say some of the most hateful speech is emanating from Washington, D.C. What we need our president to do is be a unifier, a calming positive voice, reminding us of what we have in common as Americans. That’s what presidents have done for generations. We’ve missed that. And the hateful speech even if it’s not inciting specific violence, let’s face it, we have seen these violent forces emboldened. We saw it in Charlottesville. We’ve seen it all over the country. And we’ve got to be honest about it without falling into a partisan battle to say something is different in recent years. I’ll be the first to say there were other problems before that. There were campus shootings and other horrible things, but the connection to racial and ethnic motivation, that has been growing in the last few years, and that’s what we’ve got to stop.”
The Washington Post on Sunday cited Trump’s critics in its report on the stabbings:
“Some House Democrats singled out the president for criticism, arguing that he has been insufficiently clear in denouncing anti-Semitism and has frequently perpetuated offensive stereotypes about Jewish people.
Earlier this month, Trump prompted an outcry from Jewish groups after he delivered a speech in which he sought to convince a Jewish audience that they had “no choice” but to vote for him or else they would lose money to Democratic presidential contenders’ wealth tax plans. He also said some Jews “don’t love Israel enough,” echoing a previous statement in which he questioned the loyalty of Jews who vote for Democrats.
“Some House Democrats singled out the president for criticism, arguing that he has been insufficiently clear in denouncing anti-Semitism and has frequently perpetuated offensive stereotypes about Jewish people.
Earlier this month, Trump prompted an outcry from Jewish groups after he delivered a speech in which he sought to convince a Jewish audience that they had “no choice” but to vote for him or else they would lose money to Democratic presidential contenders’ wealth tax plans. He also said some Jews “don’t love Israel enough,” echoing a previous statement in which he questioned the loyalty of Jews who vote for Democrats.
Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), another frequent critic of Trump, shared a tweet by a New York-based comedian who argued that the Monsey attack followed “3 years of anti-semitism from the Trump Administration.”
“So sad but predictable. His conduct has made unacceptable conduct acceptable,” Cohen said, appearing to blame Trump in part for the recent rise in attacks against Jewish people and members of other minority groups across the country. “It will take decades to cure.”
“So sad but predictable. His conduct has made unacceptable conduct acceptable,” Cohen said, appearing to blame Trump in part for the recent rise in attacks against Jewish people and members of other minority groups across the country. “It will take decades to cure.”
Washington Post correspondent and reporter for other leftwing media Mairav Zonszein said she held the White House “directly responsible” for the rise of antisemitism:
“Just to be clear, I hold the Trump White House directly responsible for the increasing violent attacks on Orthodox Jewish people in America. It should be clear now that exceptionalizing Jews — whether in a negative or positive light — endangers us and keeps us forever at risk,” Zonszein tweeted.
“I’m being personally attacked and insulted in what appears to be a coordinated fashion – for holding a president who has empowered white nationalists and normalized antisemitism. I feel threatened and scared as a Jew for the first time in my life,” Zonszein tweeted.
“Just to be clear, I hold the Trump White House directly responsible for the increasing violent attacks on Orthodox Jewish people in America. It should be clear now that exceptionalizing Jews — whether in a negative or positive light — endangers us and keeps us forever at risk,” Zonszein tweeted.
“I’m being personally attacked and insulted in what appears to be a coordinated fashion – for holding a president who has empowered white nationalists and normalized antisemitism. I feel threatened and scared as a Jew for the first time in my life,” Zonszein tweeted.
Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) blamed Trump and Rudy Giuliani on Twitter, linking to an op-ed he wrote in the Jewish publication Forward, including the false claim that Trump has not condemned extremism.“Anti-Semitism is on the rise in America. And it’s being stoked by @realDonaldTrump who won’t condemn it and Trump’s lawyer, @RudyGiuliani, who just this week said he’s “more Jewish than Soros.” ICYMI, my @jdforward op-ed on what we must do,” Swalwell tweeted.
“This isn’t happening in a vacuum,” Swalwell wrote in the op-ed. “It’s happening as President Donald Trump and his allies dabble in hate-baiting propaganda. From refusing to unconditionally condemn the 2017 neo-**** rally in Charlottesville to accusing American Jewish Democrats of disloyalty, President Trump has tacitly or explicitly empowered extremism in ways not seen in generations.”
“This isn’t happening in a vacuum,” Swalwell wrote in the op-ed. “It’s happening as President Donald Trump and his allies dabble in hate-baiting propaganda. From refusing to unconditionally condemn the 2017 neo-**** rally in Charlottesville to accusing American Jewish Democrats of disloyalty, President Trump has tacitly or explicitly empowered extremism in ways not seen in generations.”
Arizona Democrat Nathan Schneider, who describes himself on Twitter as a “universal health care advocate, public education proponent, organizer, campaign manager/regional field director, and former House candidate” blamed Trump for the violence:
“Trump is directly to blame for this antisemitic violence and if we don’t take drastic steps to address this threat the attacks will become worse and more frequent. #Monsey,” Schneider tweeted.
“Trump is directly to blame for this antisemitic violence and if we don’t take drastic steps to address this threat the attacks will become worse and more frequent. #Monsey,” Schneider tweeted.
The Times of Israel cited a Jewish lawmaker who blamed Trump:
Ofer Cassif, the only Jewish lawmaker representing the predominantly Arab Joint List in the Knesset, reacts to the Monsey stabbing by blaming it on US President Donald Trump.
“Hatred of human beings is infectious: Where Trump incites against Muslims and immigrants, anti-Semitic movements will thrive and Jews will be attacked,” he tweets.
“My condolences to the community and wishing recovery to the wounded, and hoping that the world manages to overcome a tsunami of racist hatred.”
Ofer Cassif, the only Jewish lawmaker representing the predominantly Arab Joint List in the Knesset, reacts to the Monsey stabbing by blaming it on US President Donald Trump.
“Hatred of human beings is infectious: Where Trump incites against Muslims and immigrants, anti-Semitic movements will thrive and Jews will be attacked,” he tweets.
“My condolences to the community and wishing recovery to the wounded, and hoping that the world manages to overcome a tsunami of racist hatred.”
meanwhile in Israel:
The Jerusalem Post predicted this animus against Trump will play a role in the 2020 presidential election:
Those opposed to Trump will surely try to drop the antisemitism squarely at his feet. They will focus on the Jew hatred coming from the white supremacists, the neo-*****, the far Right, and say that Trump – with his divisive rhetoric, his use of what they say are antisemitic tropes, and his anti-immigrant policies and actions – has given them a back wind.
They will ignore all Trumps’ statements against antisemitism, all he has done for Israel, his recent signing of an executive order to combat antisemitism on campus, and the fact that he has a Jewish daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren. They will ignore all of that and say the antisemitism is his fault.
Those opposed to Trump will surely try to drop the antisemitism squarely at his feet. They will focus on the Jew hatred coming from the white supremacists, the neo-*****, the far Right, and say that Trump – with his divisive rhetoric, his use of what they say are antisemitic tropes, and his anti-immigrant policies and actions – has given them a back wind.
They will ignore all Trumps’ statements against antisemitism, all he has done for Israel, his recent signing of an executive order to combat antisemitism on campus, and the fact that he has a Jewish daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren. They will ignore all of that and say the antisemitism is his fault.
I bet there will be a new impeachment inquiry on this matter soon...
also remember: "TrURMpS VtOelent ReteROIHTc" is just one of the many tatics of the left.
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12-30-2019, 11:51 AM
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@Joe Perez, do you find it weird that Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Mitt Romney, and John Kerry all have/had sons on board of directors for energy companies in the Ukraine?
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12-30-2019, 12:44 PM
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The murders at the church in Texas on Sunday morning were inexcusable. FWIW, it is a mixed race congregation. One of the men killed was a nurse offering communion to his killer.
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12-30-2019, 01:52 PM
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@Joe Perez, do you find it weird that Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Mitt Romney, and John Kerry all have/had sons on board of directors for energy companies in the Ukraine?
EDIT: And, for comparison, it'd also be nice to know what percentage of the offspring of people who are elected officials at the Federal level are / were members of the board of directors of energy companies in the Ukraine as well. I assume that this figure is probably larger than for the population as a whole, though I would not be surprised if there were to be some other demographic (eg: members of the boards of directors of non-Ukranian energy companies) which surpassed it.
This is basically why I'm not all that concerned about radical progressives. With a few exceptions, they are so busy arguing amongst themselves about identity politics / who is the biggest victom / how many different vectors of intersectionality need to be addressed (eg: autistic nonbinary persons of color - note that I am NOT making that one up) / etc.,, that there's very little time left for them to do actual harm to society as a whole.
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12-30-2019, 02:33 PM
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What does Coulter's Law mean?
Named after a 2015 tweet from provocative conservative political commentator, Ann Coulter, Coulter's Law states that the longer it takes the news media to identify a mass shooter in the United States, the less likely it is to be a white male.
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12-30-2019, 02:51 PM
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Do you find it weird that shortly after [4 weeks] Pelosi was named speaker of the house, her son -- a mortgage loan officer -- was paid $180,000 a year to be VP of strategic planning at a company he never showed up to work for; the same company who paid millions to Bill Clinton for consulting, and same company who's owner who "donated" millions more to the Clinton Foundation?
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12-30-2019, 03:15 PM
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Joe do you find it weird that shortly after Devon Archer, nephew of crime boss Whitey Bulger, joined Burisma, and immediately after visiting the White House on April 16 2016, Hunter Biden joins Burisma two days later, then Joe Biden, VP of the United States of America, travels to the Ukraine three days later and promises aid to the Ukraine gas industry?
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12-30-2019, 04:46 PM
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Three people (including the shotgun wielding perpetrator) were killed at the Texas church shooting on Sunday.
I was under the impression that it takes several more victims to call it a "mass" shooting.
I was under the impression that it takes several more victims to call it a "mass" shooting.
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12-30-2019, 05:36 PM
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Do you find it weird that shortly after [4 weeks] Pelosi was named speaker of the house, her son -- a mortgage loan officer -- was paid $180,000 a year to be VP of strategic planning at a company he never showed up to work for; the same company who paid millions to Bill Clinton for consulting, and same company who's owner who "donated" millions more to the Clinton Foundation?
Joe do you find it weird that shortly after Devon Archer, nephew of crime boss Whitey Bulger, joined Burisma, and immediately after visiting the White House on April 16 2016, Hunter Biden joins Burisma two days later, then Joe Biden, VP of the United States of America, travels to the Ukraine three days later and promises aid to the Ukraine gas industry?
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12-30-2019, 07:04 PM
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The elders of our congregation decided some time ago to have several armed church members act as security in the case of an armed attack during our services. It is not broadcast who is carrying and officially acting in that role on a particular day but there are several (perhaps many) others who are also carrying concealed. Being responsible for the safety of the flock is everyone's business.
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12-30-2019, 07:47 PM
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I find the memes about Texas and mass shootings interesting.
It's like all these millennials, extremists, and people who spend all looking on reddit for troll content forgot about the Fort Hood shooting 13 killed, 30 more injured.
It's like all these millennials, extremists, and people who spend all looking on reddit for troll content forgot about the Fort Hood shooting 13 killed, 30 more injured.
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12-30-2019, 09:47 PM
You see, military bases are exactly like schools and theaters and most churches (clearly fewer of those in Texas) in the respect that when you need a firearm, you have to call the police and wait for them to arrive before you can bring a second gun to the fight.. The recent Pensacola shooting is a perfect example, where the officer that actually shot the terrorist was an Escambia County Sheriff who arrived from off-base... not even the ******* base police or MA's got the guy, it was s ******* regular cop from out in town.
As for "whats a mass shooting?"... it's pretty much whatever you want to call it pending whatever angle you want to exploit. If a guy fired 2 rounds into the air, hit nothing, and then handcuffed himself and waited for the cops while he talked with some witnesses about the playoffs... "MASS SHOOTER!!! Maniac fires MULTIPLE ROUNDS from DANGEROUS WEAPON with NO REGARD FOR LIFE before DONNING POLICE EQUIPMENT and DEFENDING THE RAIDERS MOVE TO VEGAS with TERRIFIED ONLOOKERS... blah blah blah..."
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12-30-2019, 10:39 PM
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As this is Dec 30, we can reasonably assume that I've spent the past week and a half down in FL amongst family. Most of it involved plumbing and electrical work, though of course I did the usual course of pretending to participate in Sunday service, as this makes Mom feel good, and there is really no purer motive than that.
At the New Day Christian Church in Port Charlotte, FL, one ought not to engage in violent behavior. This specific church happens to be attended by an interesting blend of retired military, active military, and "didn't qualify for the military but claim to be Molon-labe" folks.
I'm on a first-name basis with a number of the CCW folks at that church, but I don't even begin to pretend that I know all of them. That being said, I have a vague idea of the number of chambered rounds present in any randomly-selected Sunday service, and it's a large number.
Quite a lot of their congregation occupy an interesting space which is somewhere between "I want you on my side in the event of a clearly-defined conflict" and "I fear that I shall have to combat you in the event of a conflict defined by the hazy boundaries which blur the lines between individual liberty and the Old-Testament Abrahamic religions."
All else being equal, I'd prefer that religion were not a thing. It's been cited as a justification for more violence in human history than any other thing which I can name.
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12-31-2019, 08:47 AM
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In the modern era, yes. And I'm sure that in absolute terms, WWI and WWII dwarf all previous conflicts in number of casualties. So I exaggerated.
But consider the Crusades. The Islamic Conquests. Dipping into biblical lore, even the total extermination of the Canaanites (actual genocide.) Or the Israel - Palestine conflict. Or the Yugoslav wars. Or the Sudanese civil wars. Or the Lebanese civil war.
But consider the Crusades. The Islamic Conquests. Dipping into biblical lore, even the total extermination of the Canaanites (actual genocide.) Or the Israel - Palestine conflict. Or the Yugoslav wars. Or the Sudanese civil wars. Or the Lebanese civil war.
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