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Old 11-25-2015, 01:07 PM   #1261
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The Washington Post actually published an article that makes some sense!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...f-gun-control/

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All multiple-gun owners are psychopaths who keep severed vaginas in their freezer:



MAN BUSTED WITH 21 SEVERED VAGINAS IN HIS FREEZER
November 4, 2015 by Jacquelyn Gray



UPDATE:

According to News.com.au, the Danish-born, South Africa-based man busted with 21 pieces of severed female genitalia (!) in his freezer is due in court to apply for bail on sexual assault charges.

Peter Frederiksen was busted in September after his wife, Anna Matseliso Molise, called police to report that he had cut off her own genitalia after illicitly drugging her one night.

In a horrific turn, Molise was shot and killed in an “assassination-style killing” as she left her house last month. She was due in court to testify against him, and was the state’s key witness in the case. Authorities had, tragically, reportedly been concerned that “something like this could happen” and had offered her protection just in case.

Frederiksen owns a gun store and “allegedly sedated his victims before performing illegal operations on them,” according to a police statement.

It’s unclear whether the man took the body parts from his victims when they were alive or dead, but he reportedly kept detailed records of the mutilations and what parts belonged to whom.

His first victim was apparently in 2010.

ORIGINAL STORY:

When police searched a man’s home, it’s safe to say they didn’t expect to find almost two dozen pieces of female genitalia in his freezer.

After a woman claimed her Danish husband, Peter Fredekrisen, drugged her and cut off part of her vagina, South African police searched their home and unearthed 21 pieces of women’s genitalia, The Local dk reports. According to police spokesman Hangwani Maulaudzi, surgical tools, anesthetic and a wealth of incriminating photos were also discovered.

Even more unsettling is that Fredekrisen was very public about his … pastime. According to Danish tabloid BT, the 58-year-old gun shop owner participated in a radio documentary where he talked about carrying out female genital mutilation on not only his African wife but also her friends. The publication also claims Fredekrisen fled to South Africa to avoid a weapons charge in Denmark.

It’s believed he sedated his victims before performing the illegal procedures in which he reportedly cut off the women’s labia and clitorises.

According to the Daily Mail, Fredekrisen told journalists that he learned his female genital mutilation procedure from Jorn Ege, a controversial doctor.

“I met him [Ege] at Skodsborg Strandvej for a dinner,” he reportedly said in the documentary. “And I say, ‘I might have a customer for you. I know a girl in Copenhagen and she’d love to have made a cosmetic intervention, but she would want me to make it.'”

Arrested for sexual assault, intimidation, and domestic violence, police spokesman Masilela Langa claimed the 58-year-old man kept a record of which parts were removed and who they belonged to. With his records starting in 2010, authorities are now focused in identifying the victims — who are possibly still alive.

“We are engaged in research and [want] to question the man. It is as if he knew his victims and knew where to look for them,” he said to Netwerk24. “It is now important that we [find] the man’s victims. At this stage, we do not know how many women there are, as there are many, many photos.”

The accused is reportedly due back in court next week for a bail hearing.

Video: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/embed/video/1215845.html
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But did he shoot them?
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But did he shoot them?
I doubt it; from all of the real world proof that I've seen on CSI and Criminal Minds, he would have wanted their bodies to appear physically unmolested when he performed surgery on them; this suggests that he would have either had them sedated when he did it, or else killed by superficially undetectable means.

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this just in: tribalism is stupid.



Chart could also entitled: % certainly Braineack will never travel to this country.




in actually related news, that people actually care about:

Black Friday breaks record with 185K gun background checks

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More Americans had their backgrounds checked purchasing guns on Black Friday than any day in the on record, according to data released by the FBI this week.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System processed 185,345 requests on Nov. 27, one of the largest retail sales days in the country.

"This was an approximate 5% increase over the 175,754 received on Black Friday 2014," wrote Stephen Fischer, the FBI's chief of multimedia productions. "The previous high for receipts were the 177,170 received on 12/21/2012."
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I had no idea the percentages were so high.
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this just in: tribalism is stupid.
That's a lot of severed clitorisus. (Clitorii? Clitorae?)


Anyway, I thought this was kind of interesting. I first saw the statistic on a marginal, leftist blog, but this is from Bloomburg, which is pretty good about fact-checking. The article is a few years old (Dec 2012), but the prediction which it made appears to have come true. As much as I love to rant sometimes, I honestly had no idea that the numbers were this high:



American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015
Chris Christoff and Ilan Kolet December 19, 2012 — 2:23 PM EST

Guns and cars have long been among the leading causes of non-medical deaths in the U.S. By 2015, firearm fatalities will probably exceed traffic fatalities for the first time, based on data compiled by Bloomberg.

While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.

As the nation reels from the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the shift shows the effects of public policy, said Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis.

The fall in traffic deaths resulted from safer vehicles, restricted privileges for young drivers and seat-belt and other laws, he said. By contrast, “we’ve made policy decisions that have had the impact of making the widest array of firearms available to the widest array of people under the widest array of conditions.” While fewer households have guns, people who own guns are buying more of them, he said.

The Dec. 14 slaying of 20 children and six adults at the school in Newtown, Connecticut, reignited a debate over gun violence. While mass murders are rare, shootings aren’t. About 85 Americans are shot dead daily -- 53 of them suicides. Every day, one of those killed by firearms is 14 or younger.

‘Game Changer’

Of the total, the CDC data show, 16 are between the ages of 15 and 24, mostly homicide victims. Wintemute said more than 200 people go to U.S. emergency rooms every day with gunshot wounds.

Gun deaths by homicide, suicide or accident peaked at 37,666 in 1993 before declining to a low of 28,393 in 2000, the data show. Since then the total has risen to 31,328 in 2010, an increase of 2,935, or eight more victims a day.

At the same time, violent crime and murder rates have fallen in the U.S., said Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins University Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore. Homicides may be up this year, though the murder rate from 2006 to 2011 fell 19 percent, to 4.7 for every 100,000 people, Webster said in an e-mail.

While recent gun sales haven’t led to an increase in crime, research indicates that over time, higher levels of gun ownership are associated with increased rates of homicide and suicide, Webster said. The Sandy Hook killings are a “potential game changer” for gun-control laws and the response to it unlike any incident he’s seen in 20 years of studying gun violence, he said.

Police Crackdowns

“We haven’t had a year like 2012 for mass shootings before, with each one being more disturbing than the last,” Webster said. “It’s harder to chalk this up to random acts than to flaws in our gun laws.”

The drop in gun deaths since 1993 may be a result of less violence from drug trafficking, more people incarcerated and more police crackdowns on illegal firearms, according to both Webster and Wintemute.

The percentage of gun-owning households has fallen since 2004 to 32 percent in 2010, according to the General Social Survey by NORC at the University of Chicago. The survey indicates at least 1.8 firearms per household, or at least 70 million in households nationwide, said Tom Smith, the survey’s principal investigator.

Safer Driving

It’s impossible to verify how many guns are owned legally or illegally, Webster said. A survey eight years ago pegged the number of firearms around 300 million, he said.

Traffic fatalities in 2011 were the lowest since 1949, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Although drivers in the U.S. logged fewer miles than in 2010, the fatality rate was the lowest on record, 1.1 deaths for each 100 million vehicle miles driven.

There were 53,524 motor-vehicle deaths in 1979, compared with a projected 33,975 this year, according to the data compiled by Bloomberg.

“In the past several decades, we’ve seen remarkable improvements in both the way motorists behave on our roadways and in the safety of the vehicles they drive,” according to a Dec. 10 statement by the agency.

American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg Business


And an inforgraphic from The Times, also a source known for reliable fact-checking:






I've always naively assumed that the whole "gun deaths are an epidemic" thing was wildly blown out of proportion, and that the number of people killed in auto accidents surely had to exceed firearms deaths by at least an order of magnitude. I've even jokingly called for stronger car-control laws to this effect. But, apparently, this is not the case.
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Another interesting statistic. There are literally more guns than people in the US. And not just more guns overall, but more guns in civilian ownership. This chart excludes military and police firearms:



Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ngs-wont-stop/
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And, as a matter of pure statistics, it does appear that, for countries of equivalent social and economic development, more guns does positively correlate with more gun deaths in a more or less straight-line relationship:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...anywhere-else/
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The above traffic deaths vs gun deaths chart....does the deaths by gun include police involved shootings, suicide, gang related death and accidental death?
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What caused the massive drop in motor vehicle deaths between 2006 and 2008?
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The above traffic deaths vs gun deaths chart....does the deaths by gun include police involved shootings, suicide, gang related death and accidental death?
Both lines (auto fatalities and gun fatalities) include all causes of death, be they intentional or accidental, and regardless of whether they involved civilians or police. It's simply a numerical tally, and makes no effort to drill down into the causes of the deaths.

I can say that in 2012, approximately 400 people in the US were shot and killed by police, so that represents around 1.2% of all the gun deaths in the US for that year. Or, put another way, 98.8% of all fatal shootings did not involve police.

Source: USA Today: Local police involved in 400 killings per year


As there is no central repository for police-involved shootings, the numbers vary a tad. I found a couple of extreme-leftist sources which put the number of people shot and killed by police in 2012 at around 600-900, so if you believe the most liberal blogs (the ones Braineack reads to find material for his cop thread), that would be as much as 2.6% of all firearm killings performed by police, and 97.4% by civilians.
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What caused the massive drop in motor vehicle deaths between 2006 and 2008?
Not 100% certain, but I would note anecdotally that Traction Control and Electronic Stability Control started becoming really popular around that time, as did side-curtain airbags.
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I'm interested in seeing all of these graphs when "accidental" deaths are taken out. Obviously the entire "non-accidental car deaths" line would drop far below the "non-accidental gun deaths" line, but I would be willing to bet that as a percentage, the "non-accidental car deaths" has growth which is either equivalent to or exceeding that of "non-accidental gun deaths".

Similarly, I'd like to see the guns per capita vs. gun deaths per capita separated into accidental and non-accidental graphs. I have no idea how these might look, but it is relevant to the discussion.

Comparing gun deaths to car deaths without identifying accidental/non-accidental provides no significant statistical comparison. Since the overwhelming majority of car deaths are accidental, it's easy to reduce the number of total car deaths simply by reducing the number and severity of car accidents. Unfortunately, a far greater percentage of gun-deaths are non-accidental - I.E. the person pulling the trigger intends to harm or kill the person at which the gun is pointed. Making guns safer will only serve to ensure that the person pulling the trigger will not accidentally shoot him/herself in the process of intentionally shooting the person at which the gun is aimed. This is actually a culture issue - we have to make people safer. Instead of asking "how can we make it so guns don't kill people", we need to be asking "how do we make it so that people don't want to kill people?" I submit to you that a good place to start might be by reintroducing resilience into the lives of Gen-Wu's "precious snowflakes".
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Similarly, I'd like to see the guns per capita vs. gun deaths per capita separated into accidental and non-accidental graphs. I have no idea how these might look, but it is relevant to the discussion.
That data is easy to find, though again, there are small but significant variations from one source to another.

Here's one example, which is based on CDC data:



Source: Accidental v. Intentional, Fatal v. Non-Fatal, Gunshots, 2000-2007 in the USA ? Greg Laden's Blog



The numbers are pretty much what you'd expect. Accidental fatal shootings and fatal police shootings are extremely rare (with accidents being nearly double police shootings), suicides and murders are extremely high and similar in ratio, with suicide slightly out-ranking murder.
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Not 100% certain, but I would note anecdotally that Traction Control and Electronic Stability Control started becoming really popular around that time, as did side-curtain airbags.
Hmm. I would't dispute that cars have been getting safer over time, but I guess I'm wondering what happened specifically during that time period that suddenly dropped auto deaths from a pretty stable 45,000/year down to 36,000/year. Even if we stacked the deck and assumed that no cars prior to 2006 had TC/ESC and side airbags, and every car after 2006 had TC/ESC and side airbags, new car purchases would only replace a small number of the existing population of vehicles on the road at any time.

I'm honestly a bit confounded...
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