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Old 03-28-2012, 05:30 PM   #1
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The Supreme Court's conservative justices said Wednesday they are prepared to strike down President Obama’s healthcare law entirely.

Picking up where they left off Tuesday, the conservatives said they thought a decision striking down the law's controversial individual mandate to purchase health insurance means the whole statute should fall with it.

The court’s conservatives sounded as though they had determined for themselves that the 2,700-page measure must be declared unconstitutional.

"One way or another, Congress will have to revisit it in toto," said Justice Antonin Scalia.

Agreeing, Justice Anthony Kennedy said it would be an "extreme proposition" to allow the various insurance regulations to stand after the mandate was struck down.

Meanwhile, the court's liberal justices argued for restraint. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the court should do a "salvage job," not undertake a “wrecking operation." But she looked to be out-voted.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. said they shared the view of Scalia and Kennedy that the law should stand or fall in total. Along with Justice Clarence Thomas, they would have a majority to strike down the entire statute as unconstitutional.

An Obama administration lawyer, urging caution, said it would be "extraordinary" for the court to throw out the entire law. About 2.5 million young people under age 26 are on their parents' insurance now because of the new law. If it were struck down entirely, "2.5 million of them would be thrown off the insurance rolls," said Edwin Kneedler.

The administration indicated it was prepared to accept a ruling that some of the insurance reforms should fall if the mandate were struck down. For example, insurers would not be required to sell coverage to people with preexisting conditions. But Kneedler, a deputy solicitor general, said the court should go no further.

But the court's conservatives said the law was passed as a package and must fall as a package.
The justices are scheduled to meet Wednesday afternoon to debate the law's Medicaid expansion
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Oh boy here we go
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As I am self-employed, I have health insurance through a private carrier which I pay for myself.

That is all.
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my girl just signed up for health care due to this bullshit...
so now, people without health care don't have to sign up????
wtf?!?!?!
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Since I work for a large Health Care Insurance company, I think obama should go f* himself.
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I'll believe it when they actually do it but looking forward to a resolution to this fiasco.

Oh, and striking down Obummer's landmark legislation will go far for in him in his re-election bid.
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it'll be 5-4. there no way the liberal judges will go against it
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Where are our liberal, crybaby, agrarian, carbon neutral, socialist e-friends?
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Best news I've had in years.
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I look forward to Mr. Kagan's thoughts on this, lol.
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Just means we're back to Reagan's EMTALA as primary care for all the poor folks out there. http://www.marinmedicalsociety.org/m...?articleid=470
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my girl just signed up for health care due to this bullshit...
so now, people without health care don't have to sign up????
wtf?!?!?!
Your gf has health insurance. That sucks.

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IDK if your referring to me, but I don't necessary like the law. In a perfect world should we all have healthcare? Yes.

BUT WAIT, I ALREADY HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE

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in a perfect world we wouldnt get hurt or sick or die.
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Where are our liberal, crybaby, agrarian, carbon neutral, socialist e-friends?
I'll chime in. I thought the mandate portion of this law was bullshit from the start. The government ought not be allowed to force someone to purchase healthcare, or penalize them if they don't. I can't see how that would be legal. However, I do think there we need some sort of national preventative healthcare system in place. There is entirely too much money spent in hindsight to put people back together after they ruin themselves at McDonalds and in the freezer aisle. Perhaps a scenario whereby you pay in and get services, and if you don't, better start praying to your favorite god.

I'm self employed and pay for my health insurance in full out of pocket, but goddamn it's not getting any cheaper and I'd love to have an alternative that is less expensive, even if the gubment runs it. I even partook in the local health department for a year to see how that went. Frankly not too bad, but they are so broke I'm not sure it would be worth the larger hassle anymore.
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The mass media never discusses the real reasons for overpriced health care, which are economic inefficiency and the stifling of competition due to the regulations (which are written by the big players as a means of stifling smaller competitors.)

If health care cost say, 1/2 or 1/4th of what it did today, then buying your own health insurance would be far less of an issue, yes? Instead its artificially tied to employment, with employers being able to buy it cheaper than an individual can, etc etc.
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