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Old 03-28-2012, 08:23 PM   #21
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Makes sense to me. I feel lucky that I'm with a non-profit (nope, not a typo) health insurance provider, and that definitely helps to keep my premiums as low as possible.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:40 PM   #23
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Obamacare should fall, so this is great.

Just some notes:
-Obama sold this legislation on the promise that an average family's healthcare premiums would drop $2500/yr
-Since ratified, the average family's healthcare premiums have increased by $1300/yr
-Average premium rose 10% this year
-*average healthcare insurance company profits have increased by 9% this year*

And in case you weren't paying attention, unions and other large entities that significantly contributed to Obama's election campaign received waivers to exempt themselves from some or all of Obamacare provisions.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:42 PM   #24
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IDK if your referring to me
Nope, you're reasonable.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:45 PM   #25
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I'll chime in. I thought the mandate portion of this law was bullshit from the start. The government ought not be allowed to force someone to purchase healthcare, or penalize them if they don't. I can't see how that would be legal. However, I do think there we need some sort of national preventative healthcare system in place. There is entirely too much money spent in hindsight to put people back together after they ruin themselves at McDonalds and in the freezer aisle. Perhaps a scenario whereby you pay in and get services, and if you don't, better start praying to your favorite god.

I'm self employed and pay for my health insurance in full out of pocket, but goddamn it's not getting any cheaper and I'd love to have an alternative that is less expensive, even if the gubment runs it. I even partook in the local health department for a year to see how that went. Frankly not too bad, but they are so broke I'm not sure it would be worth the larger hassle anymore.
Meh, not emotional enough to troll. next....
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:50 PM   #26
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And in case you weren't paying attention, unions and other large entities that significantly contributed to Obama's election campaign received waivers to exempt themselves from some or all of Obamacare provisions.
This came directly out of atlas shrugged
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:11 PM   #27
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with employers being able to buy it cheaper than an individual can, etc etc.
Exactly. Upon my business partners death, NJ law allowed me to keep his widow on my company policy for 36 months. When she replaced the policy at the end of the period, with the same exact policy from the same company, her premium was 50% higher.
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:37 PM   #28
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All due to distortions the gov't creates in the market, at the behest of those who are supposedly regulated, in the name of "progressivism" and "regulation".

When "liberals" argue against the free market, I ask them "what's the free market good for anyway, why don't we just have *everything* run by the gov't?". If they can't answer intelligibly, it's useless arguing with them, and, they can't argue against it intelligently if they can't say what it's supposedly good for.
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:24 AM   #29
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Been too busy working and working on the car to bother with politics much lately Hustly, had someone point me here.

Tell you what bro, let's make this interesting. I have a bet for you.

If Obamacare is declared unconstitutional, you get to dictate what my avatar/sig is for the next week.

If Obamacare is declared constitutional, I get to dictate what you put as your avatar/sig for the next week.

Seriously, if you are that confident, it should be a no brainer. I don't care too much either way, but this makes it interesting.

P.S. Exemptions are stuff that would get a party banned from here (Goatse avatar? No).
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:32 AM   #30
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^ disco ball banana hammock time...
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The shiny man thong has been done, we need something fresh.

Also, when is my goddamn username going to be changed back?
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Also, when is my goddamn username going to be changed back?
NEVAR! lol
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When "liberals" argue against the free market, I ask them "what's the free market good for anyway, why don't we just have *everything* run by the gov't?". If they can't answer intelligibly, it's useless arguing with them, and, they can't argue against it intelligently if they can't say what it's supposedly good for.
Almost as useless as arguing with people who can't view anything in shades of grey, in fact. It's either unregulated free markets or communism, right?
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Obamacare should fall, so this is great.

-*average healthcare insurance company profits have increased by 9% this year*
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100% serious question: How do you decry a piece of legislation as "communist" and "unconstitutional", and then in the same post whine about a company making more money off of health insurance?
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:31 AM   #36
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Almost as useless as arguing with people who can't view anything in shades of grey, in fact. It's either unregulated free markets or communism, right?
Pick your regulation carefully. We wouldn't want to throw Martha Stewart in prison over something specifically permitted for congress until six days ago in regard to insider trading. The problem is the pervasive, inherent corruption in regulation. Which is the greater crime, the perceived unfairness of a purely free market or the corrupt principles of congress, Mr. Pelosi constituent??? I'll see you in hell.


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Done!
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Done. lol

Prepare for your permaban!!!!
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So, Hustly, about that bet. You taking it, or pussing out?
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So, Hustly, about that bet. You taking it, or pussing out?
I will not play your game of liberal lies and deceit!!! Hail Santorum, lord of the froth!!!
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