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No, those jobs are for teenagers and 2nd incomes. 58 67.44%
Yes, to about $10/Hr. 14 16.28%
Yes, to about $15/Hr. 11 12.79%
Yes, to $_____/Hr. 3 3.49%
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Old 08-26-2016, 12:17 PM   #261
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My wife is a teacher's aide. Sort of an assistant teacher, without the responsibility of lesson planning. She has a Bachelor's degree in math, and an Associate's degree in chemistry. She has had, but let lapse, a full teacher's certification, which is required in NYS to teach.
She works for the same school district that my son attends. The reason she works there is to get the very generous benefits package, including health, dental and vision care insurance.

She makes less than burger flippers in other parts of the state, because of misguided minimum wage laws.
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I had a very interesting interaction a few days ago while in Chicago.

Even towards the end of the conversation, I still got the feeling that she didn't know exactly how to deal with this request.
Having lived in NYC for a few years, you should have known that a big-city person's first reaction to compliments or unnecessary niceness is "Oh ****. Where's my wallet?" Once one's money is not in question, then general suspicion of motives, followed by unease and then fear - "Maybe I can offer him something to go away? Maybe he's a dangerous psycho."
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Old 12-09-2016, 02:15 PM   #264
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So this is interesting:


Ohio's State Legislature Just Banned Cities from Raising Local Minimum Wages

by Kevin Lui DECEMBER 9, 2016, 4:07 AM EST





Cleveland had scheduled a May 2017 vote on a $15 minimum wage.


City authorities in Ohio will not be allowed to raise their local minimum wage higher than the statewide minimum, according to a bill passed Wednesday by the state’s legislature.

The Columbus Dispatch reports that the minimum wage restriction on local authorities was passed as part of a larger bill filled with different amendments, as the state’s General Assembly rushed to conclude its business.

The city of Cleveland was set to decide in a special election next May whether to gradually increase the city’s minimum wage to $15 an hour, reports Cleveland.com. How Wednesday’s decision would impact the scheduled vote is still unclear. Currently, Ohio has a statewide hourly minimum wage of $8.10, while the U.S. federal minimum wage is an hourly pay of $7.25.

“This is really about keeping Ohio business-friendly,” state representative Ryan Smith told the Dispatch.

According to the Dispatch, the so-called “Petland bill” ostensibly sought to override local restrictions on breeding sources of pets sold in pet stores. In addition to the minimum wage restriction, other legislations appended to this bill included outlawing bestiality, as well as making cockfighting a felony offense in the state.

Raise Up Cleveland, the group whose petition led to the city’s decision to put minimum wage on ballots in May 2017, was not pleased with the state legislature’s decision.

“Out-of-touch politicians have once again shown their true colors,” the group’s spokesperson Jocelyn Smallwood said in a statement, calling the assembly’s move “a direct opposition to the will of the people and will hurt the very individuals who make our communities run.”

“It is shameful that lawmakers in Columbus would interfere with a local democratic process,” she added.

It is as yet unclear whether the state’s governor John Kasich will either support the measure, which had passed both houses with significant majorities, or sign the bill into state law. “A hallmark of lame duck [sessions] is a flood of bills, including bills inside of bills,” a spokesperson for Kasich told the Wall Street Journal, “and we will closely examine everything we receive.”



Ohio's State Legislature Just Banned Cities from Raising Minimum Wages
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better than nothing, but they should outlaw it altogether.
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Old 12-09-2016, 02:59 PM   #266
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Allow the citizens to vote for their own raise?

Yeah, that's a great idea.
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Allow the citizens to vote for their own raise?

Yeah, that's a great idea.
Nothing that Unions dont already do.
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Old 01-03-2017, 07:38 AM   #268
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Remember the Seattle CEO Who Raised All Salaries to $70K, Here's What Happened Next...

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Back in April we told you about Dan Price, CEO of Gravity Payments, who said he would pay every single one of his employees $70,000 annually.

Every single one, from the lowest skilled workers on up.

Now, as expected, Price has fallen on hard times financially, even having to rent out his own home.

Employees who work for Gravity are now leaving the company, “spurred in part by their view that it was unfair to double the pay of some new hires while the longest-serving staff members got small or no raises.”

This was always going to be the outcome.

If everyone hits the jackpot, does anybody really win the lottery?
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But while she was initially on board, helping to calculate whether the company could afford to raise salaries so drastically (the plan is a minimum of $70,000 over the course of three years), McMaster later began to have doubts.

“He gave raises to people who have the least skills and are the least equipped to do the job, and the ones who were taking on the most didn’t get much of a bump,” she told The Times. A fairer plan, she told the paper, would give newer employees smaller increases, along with the chance to earn a more substantial raise with more experience.
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Dan Price, 31, tells the New York Times that things have gotten so bad he’s been forced to rent out his house.

“I’m working as hard as I ever worked to make it work,” he told the Times in a video that shows him sitting on a plastic bucket in the garage of his house. “I’m renting out my house right now to try and make ends meet myself.”

The Times article said Price’s decision ended up costing him a few customers and two of his “most valued” employees, who quit after newer employees ended up with bigger salary hikes than older ones.

Grant Moran, 29, also quit, saying the new pay-scale was disconcerting

“Now the people who were just clocking in and out were making the same as me,” he told the paper. “It shackles high performers to less motivated team members.”

The Times said customers who left were dismayed at what Price did, viewing it as a political statement. Others left fearful Gravity would soon hike fees to pay for salary increases.

Brian Canlis, co-owner of a family restaurant, already worried about how to deal with Seattle’s new minimum wage, told Price the pay raise at Gravity “makes it harder for the rest of us.”
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Personally i'd support something along the ways of a wage based on education productivity and job description that is standardized amongs the government.. that way engineers arent getting fucked by the company and getting paid 13 bucks an hour just because they have no other options.

Like a minimum wage for each career.
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One of the biggest problems with certain careers is that the poor producers are paid similarly to the good producers, ie: teachers.

The flow with your artificial wage control plan is that if everyone chooses to go to school to be a doctor to make a guaranteed $150,000 a year and no one chooses two be a janitor then the trash will never be taken out, the children will not be educated, there will be no firemen or dentists or construction workers or scientists. Our system allows for the need to dictate both the pay and the placement of individuals in a way that responds to logic and not gut emotion.

If you feel that you are underpaid and the market agrees with your assessment of your talents then you'll be paid more by the right employer. If the particular field is oversaturated with good candidates then you will have less opportunity to increase your pay. If you feel undervalued in your current position then that is your motivator to search for better options either through diversifying your search for employment or altering your education to better suit the needs of prospective employers.

The uncomfortable feeling is the prodding that causes people to rise up and succeed or to give up and complain. It is a choice and comes from within.

To say that carriage makers should continue to receive government-guaranteed subsidies though the market needs fewer carriages than there are skilled craftsmen to build them would be analogous to what you are proposing.
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Like a minimum wage for each career.
So, like, free market?


that might **** off a lot of adult burger flippers and sign twirlers with (3) kids that need a living wage...
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:41 AM   #273
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The real minimum wage is always $0 an hour, because that's what you'll get when no one is willing to hire you at the government-mandated minimum wage.
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I still find it hilarious that the actual workforce that makes min. wage or below is roughly 5%. Yet it's like the biggest deal ever...
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I still find it hilarious that the actual workforce that makes min. wage or below is roughly 5%. Yet it's like the biggest deal ever...
If you restrict it to adults, it's less than 2%.

But even in 1998 at 16 years old working for QuikTrip they paid us more than minimum wage.
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A grill cook at Waffle House makes significantly more than minimum wage to start, with no experience.
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A grill cook at Waffle House makes significantly more than minimum wage to start, with no experience.
so it's almost like there's min wage for each industry/job...
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A grill cook at Waffle House makes significantly more than minimum wage to start, with no experience.
What is "significant?"

Not trying to be pedantic, just curious.
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Based on what they pay for managers, pretty good. Employee owned makes a hell of a difference.
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What is "significant?"

Not trying to be pedantic, just curious.
A quick Google search tells me between $10-11 an hour at most locations. This is roughly 38-52% above minimum wage.
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