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Old 07-25-2011, 11:57 AM   #21
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Just like America is "more" racist with Obama as pres?
No.
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there are alot of videos on liveleak. nsfw i guess since its dead people


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=89a_1311444384 - some **** he sent fb friends
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95e_1311528385 - post explosion
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8fd_1311395602 - dead bodies

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=510_1311414784 - pic of him shooting
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So if some lone wolf is angry at the world and kills 100 people, he's a nutjob mass murderer, and regular police work is all we need to stop or catch them.

If some lone wolf is angry at the government and kills 100 people, he's a terrorist, and we need the Patriot Act and loss of our freedoms to stop or catch them.

Additionally, I don't get why "he's a terrorist", if he was acting alone. He's not part of a terrorist group. Unless of course you want to scare the population into accepting draconian surveillance laws...
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Breivik had “copied and pasted” almost a dozen key passages from the 69 year-old’s 35,000 manifesto, only changing particular words such as “leftist” with “cultural Marxist”.

He's not even creative.
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Since when did the word "terrorist" apply only to people working as part of a large group?

We may be accustomed to those individuals engaged in terrorist acts working as part of an organization, however I don't see that being a prerequisite for the label.
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Acutally, he claims he was part of a small group that intended to “seize political and military control of Western European countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda".

doesn't sound very conservative like to me. maybe he meant facist? none-the-less, dude is crazy, the end.
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Just like America is "more" racist with Obama as pres?
What? I think that reference fails on multiple points (assuming you were responding to my post above).

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Additionally, I don't get why "he's a terrorist", if he was acting alone. He's not part of a terrorist group. Unless of course you want to scare the population into accepting draconian surveillance laws...
If being part of an organized and recognized operation is prerequisite for being a terrorist, then I suppose he does not qualify. I guess I would use it to describe any one who uses the mass murder of non-combatants with the goal of destabilizing a government.
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What? I think that reference fails on multiple points (assuming you were responding to my post above).
it's not even worth defending.
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So, people often complain that not enough leaders of the Muslim community speak out when Islamic terrorists strike. I sometimes wonder if that has less to do with them remaining quiet and more to do with them not having the outlet (or knowing where to go).

Similarly, some people have used that analogy to ask where are the Christians denouncing this madman's actions. More specifically, below are the reactions of several leaders of European nationalist groups and governmental parties. This is the first time I have seen this, despite scanning coverage from several US and European news outlets:

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STOCKHOLM (Dow Jones) -- Far-right and anti-immigration parties around Europe Sunday distanced themselves from Anders Behring Breivik, who has been charged with carrying out Friday's deadly attacks in Norway.

Breivik joined the Norwegian Progress Party, which advocated a "restrictive" immigration policy, in 1999 and was a paid-up member until 2004, but its leader Siv Jensen said in a statement Sunday that "The horrible and cowardly attacks we've witnessed are contrary to the principles and values underpinning the Norwegian society".

She added: "It makes me feel extra sad to know that this person once was a member in our party."


In his 1,500-page manifesto in which he railed against what he called the "Islamization of Western Europe." Breivik linked to nationalist groups from other European countries.

One of those groups is the nationalist Sweden Democrats, which blames Muslims for social ills. Its leader Jimmie Akesson, said in a statement the tragedy in Norway was "an attack on the entire democratic society."

There is no information the Norwegian gunman had been in touch with the Sweden Democrats, Martin Kinnunen, a spokesman for the party, told Dow Jones Newswires Sunday.

The right-ring Pro Deutschland group in Germany said in a statement: "As Christians and Conservatives, we want to express solidarity with the victims of the attacks of July 22. The hate that is driving Islamic assassins and fanatic individuals a la...Breivik is foreign to Christians and Conservatives."

Soeren Espersen, a spokesman for the Danish People's Party, which opposes multiculturalism, compared Breivik to Muslim fundamentalists saying both should be "fought hard, with despise and uncompromising determination".

The National Democrats, another Swedish nationalist party referred to in the manifesto, said in a statement that the Norway massacre is "a terrible act of war", but blamed the events on "an unsustainable and partly absurd politics" and said "the multicultural experiment must be stopped and phased out."

Although fiercely anti-Muslim, Breivik directed his violence at native Norwegians who he said in his manifesto were complicit in allowing immigration, and that attacking Muslims should only be done after a change in European regimes.

Swedish National Democrats party leader Marc Abramsson said in an interview that to hurt your own people is incompatible with the nationalistic philosophy.

The leader of the Dutch right-wing party PVV Geert Wilders condemned in a Twitter message the Norwegian attacks as an action of a "violent and sick mind" while French National Front leader Marine Le Pen said in a statement: "The National Front has of course nothing to do to the Norwegian slaughter, which is the work of a lone lunatic who must be ruthlessly punished."

Police in Norway said Sunday that 93 people have died as a result of Friday's attacks in Norway. A car bomb killed seven people in central Oslo, while 86 died after the shootings on the island of Utoya.

---By Katarina Gustafsson, Dow Jones Newswires +46-8-5451-3097; [email protected]

(Geraldine Amiel, Archibald Preuschat, Flemming Hansen, and Natasha Divac contributed to this article.)
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Similarly, some people have used that analogy to ask where are the Christians denouncing this madman's actions.
Why would Christians need to denounce his actions? Did he claim he did this so that people would accept Jesus as their savior? Which Bible verses did he quote to support his actions? Were American Christians celebrating and dancing in the streets when they heard the news?

I'm not going to pretend that every madman is a leftist or Muslim, but let's also not pretend that there's a culture of terror in the Christian community like there is in the Muslim community.
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BUT EXUDUS 22:20 or something.


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Helpers of Global Jihad claimed involvement upon first hearing about the attack. Jihad Watch details how this group thought this was punishment for un-believers and retribution for the occupation of Afghanistan. The message was interpreted by Will McCants, a faculty member at Johns Hopkins, as well by Jihad Watch.
A person claiming to be a Christian but then killing in the name of Christ is not a true Christian...

A person claiming to be a true Muslim and killing someone in the name of Islam on the otherhand...
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So let's say for the sake of the argument that a "terrorist" can be acting alone.
Why would we need special laws e.g. the Patriot Act to combat lone nutballs who are angry at the gov't vs those who are simply angry at everything else?
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Brain: organized religions suck. Some organized religions suck more than others.

However, for those who don't trust the gov't - why trust them when they give the reason for "muslim anger" as "they hate us for our freedoms", instead of the foreign policy that they, the wise men in gov't, have created "for us"?
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