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Old 01-11-2010, 03:49 PM   #1
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Ok so I have the tacotaco cast mani now and I've been thinking about upgrading to something that flows better and possibly going EWG while I'm at it. I've tried finding some info on the ETD piece but everything I find is the greddy replacement. Any of you guys have any experience with the ETD unit as far as quality and cracking etc? I was also looking at the BEGI S4 which it seems like I would have to stay internally gated and it's cheaper than the ETD and stainless. I've heard they can port the flange for a t3. I was also thinking of getting an ARTech ramhorn but I dunno if I want to spend that much on a manifold yet. I know the ramhorn will flow the best but it's just a chinacharger so I'm not looking to break 300hp or anything. What do you guys think? Thanks
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I have a BEGI Cast manifold for sale that is currently flanged for T2 but you can send it to BEGI to have ported to T3.
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IMO, in terms of flow:
  1. AbsurbFlow design
  2. ETD Shorty
  3. Ramhorn | BEGI S4 | Flipside
  4. BEGi Cast directed-pulse
  5. BEGi Cast non-directed-pulse | HKS Cast | FM Cast
  6. GReddy Cast
  7. TacoTaco Cast Log | JGS Log

fwiw, Neogenesis has a pretty nice modified ETD T360 setup for sale right now.
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Thanks wayne but I'm not wanting another cast mani. Figure while I'm doing might as well get a tubular one. I guess for the money I might get the ETD so I can have EWG. Anyone know if BEGI can put an EWG flange on the S4? I saw Neos but I don't need the whole setup like he's selling. I can make a DP I just need a good manifold without going over $550 if I can
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Thanks wayne but I'm not wanting another cast mani. Figure while I'm doing might as well get a tubular one. I guess for the money I might get the ETD so I can have EWG. Anyone know if BEGI can put an EWG flange on the S4? I saw Neos but I don't need the whole setup like he's selling. I can make a DP I just need a good manifold without going over $550 if I can
To be honest i've been less than impressed with the feedback people are giving the ETD mani. Neo flipped his over cause the downpipe routing was an issue for him and someone else was having issues fitting an EWG on it without notching the frame rail. If you can make a downpipe I'd encourage you to take a stab at a manifold. It really is fun and not all that challenging and MUCH cheaper. The design I used flows pretty well as far as I can tell and requires only 4 elbows and a little bit of straight pipe.
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I have access to a shop where I can make my exhaust but I won't have enough time to make an entire mani. This is kindof a favor cause we've known the people forever so he doesn't mind us using the bender for a while.
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I have access to a shop where I can make my exhaust but I won't have enough time to make an entire mani. This is kindof a favor cause we've known the people forever so he doesn't mind us using the bender for a while.
I see. Perhaps SK could weld a t3 flange on the manifold he has for sale?
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I would consider parting my manifold and Tial MVS with accompanying outlet vband for exhaust for around $600 shipped.
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Haha that's crazy. I just literally finished sending you a PM. I still need to sell my setup and then I should be good to get yours. I'm waiting to hear back from someone
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Got it, responded to that too with same info.
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IMO, in terms of flow:
  1. AbsurbFlow design
  2. ETD Shorty
  3. Ramhorn | BEGI S4 | Flipside
  4. BEGi Cast directed-pulse
  5. BEGi Cast non-directed-pulse | HKS Cast | FM Cast
  6. GReddy Cast
  7. TacoTaco Cast Log | JGS Log

fwiw, Neogenesis has a pretty nice modified ETD T360 setup for sale right now.
3.5 Absurdflow (with a "D") begi/fm replacement tubular
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Hey Tim ya wanna build me a bottom mount t3 external wastegate mild steel mani for cheap?
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Absolutely.
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You did see the cheap part of that sentence right
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Yep.

It's entirely possible your definition of "cheap" differs from mine however
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Ok so what's your definition of cheap?
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I could do a log mani for around $300 IIRC, but ARTech does his nicer for like $200 and can do you a downpipe if you've got a 1.6l.

What's your definition of cheap?
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This is from your low mount no a/c ps ***Basic w/o V-bands; T2 flanged: $380 3" bellmouth, open ended.*** what do you mean bell mouth and open ended?
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IMO, in terms of flow:
  1. AbsurbFlow design
  2. ETD Shorty
  3. Ramhorn | BEGI S4 | Flipside
  4. BEGi Cast directed-pulse
  5. BEGi Cast non-directed-pulse | HKS Cast | FM Cast
  6. GReddy Cast
  7. TacoTaco Cast Log | JGS Log

fwiw, Neogenesis has a pretty nice modified ETD T360 setup for sale right now.
I really don't agree, I think a Ramhorn will outflow the "AbsurbFlow" design and certainly the ETD, I had an ETD and can tell you the inside of the runners/collector was not smooth what so ever; gaps, roughness, etc there are many 700+ hp cars running ramhorn style manifolds they just make power higher in the powerband. Maybe for 250-300 whp AbsurbFlow would be the better bet due to shorter runners and quicker spool.
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Bellmouth = http://spun-autosports.com/sales/ima...d_Downpipe.jpg

Open end = there is no flange on the end of the downpipe, so you can run a custom catback or have someone mate the DP to your current cat/catback
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