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Old Mar 26, 2012 | 09:52 AM
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interesting fuel map....
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which fuel map?
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the pure 100s.
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commanded AFR (AFR target) map is the fuel map.
Its not fully tuned in yet, buts its good enough for now.
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okay. so what are you suggesting you did with the intake cam?


you have a t3 60 trim? what a/r exhaust side? that's spooling really slow compared to mine, and why not holding boost to redline?


mine takes off well before 4K:

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changed cam timing by moving the stock intake cam from normal I up top and E at bottom right to E being up top with 19 teeth apart from the exhaust E
Old Mar 26, 2012 | 10:21 AM
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hmm oh yeah the map sensor is off by abit. I need to fix that issue later.
Actually I push full boost at 3500rpm on stock cam timing and didn't check what it is now.
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it holds boost to redline just not in the datalog.
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That certainly is the strangest target AFR map I've ever seen as well. I've never seen anyone use a target AFR of 11.0 in vacuum either. Unconventional is a word that comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
That certainly is the strangest target AFR map I've ever seen as well. I've never seen anyone use a target AFR of 11.0 in vacuum either. Unconventional is a word that comes to mind.
there is no vacuum in the target AFR map, thats load.
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It sure is.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
It sure is.
Its calculated engine load, not pressure.
I'm running on MAF fueling.
Noticed the lack of a VE table.
My main fuel table is the commanded AFR table, I tuned based off this table and I don't use a VE fuel table.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
okay. so what are you suggesting you did with the intake cam?


you have a t3 60 trim? what a/r exhaust side? that's spooling really slow compared to mine, and why not holding boost to redline?


mine takes off well before 4K:

Yours is taking off in the same place mine used to take off, 3700rpm~
I said around 4k on the tach it takes off, but we all know the stock tach is off abit. I can compared your tq and hp graphs directly to my datalog to tell and its in the same area as yours, which is what I hated.
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So, im scheduling an appointment to have my car tuned at g dimenssions in city of industry. Ill be forking over anywhere between 250 to 300 bucks for the tune. Itll be either Saturday or Sunday of next week. Ill let you guys know how it goes. They advised me to get some bigger injectors and a ebc if possible. I also called church automotive but theyre 400 bucks and too far of a drive from me. I hope to be over 200whp as is and then see what ill need to achievd my 250whp goal....

Any advise before I head down there? And anyone have some bigger injectors they want to sell? 370cc or bigger
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Originally Posted by Techsalvager
Yours is taking off in the same place mine used to take off, 3700rpm~
I said around 4k on the tach it takes off, but we all know the stock tach is off abit. I can compared your tq and hp graphs directly to my datalog to tell and its in the same area as yours, which is what I hated.

feels like a very smooth power delivery to me as it's making a good deal a tq before there. I like the bench mark to be 150rwtq by 3000RPM (hard on a 1.6L). The more you add boost, the more power you'll make expoentially as the boost climbs, no way around that.

imagine if it was more like this:



or this:






consdier this fast spooling turbo:



the fun pedal is alive with fun.
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Old Mar 31, 2012 | 12:52 AM
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So I picke up a mega squirt wohoo!
Old Apr 8, 2012 | 08:08 PM
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so i got a megasquirt and 430cc but will not install cause i went to the dyno and i have a solid tune now. 242rwhp @ 16psi and 11.5 afr. we all got scared of the boost without knowing if it has a built motor so we turned it down to 10psi. that gave me 181rwhp and a little richer at 10.4 but safer hahaa. also better spool with just removing the mbc and running a 10psi actuator already on the turbo. the mbc is only a vacum line away

done on a mistang dyno
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what was the tq,
10.4 is just wasting fuel and I dount its making it any safer then running 11.5 afr's
Old Apr 8, 2012 | 08:48 PM
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150trq @ 10psi and i didnt look at the 16psi. i figured it would be safer at 10psi with 10.4 - 10.6 afrs than running 16psi with 11.5 afr with out knowing if the motor could handle the 16psi.
Old Apr 8, 2012 | 08:51 PM
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wat was the tq at 16psi and where at in rpm.
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i dont remember. :( i only payed attention to hp numbers and spool. now i have fool boost by 3800 rpm n does not fall off. all though not as fast more responsive.



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