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Old 03-19-2013, 02:21 PM   #41
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the love is gone. This is no longer MT, it's now become the Torque Wasteland

I know that even after I'm done making double the power most people make, I'll still get ragged on because it could have been "that" much better with a 1.8. And I'll take it like a bitch because I know I can't fault them (even though I need the traction over low end).

The only way I can redeem myself is the hope of companies producing T3 EFR housings
YOU KEEP SAYING THIS FOR THE PAST 5 YEARS!!!


DO IT


Until its done and you're flexing on fools, wouldn't you say you're a hypocrite?

Seriously, I love you 1.6 broz but put up or shut up.

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*edit: and don't you dare post up jasons plot or something gay like that. I wanna see YOURS
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what I've been saying is that if a mild build will satisfy, the costs to turbo are considerably less, and the relative cost of a 1.8 swap is higher.
I've spent the last 6 years trying to make my 1.6L as good as the worse 1.8L setup.

example: my 1.6L running 13psi, vs. a similar 1.8L setup running 7psi:



that low-end makes significant difference in how well it drives on the street.

or a few years later when I installed a smaller turbo for more low end, still at 13psi, and compared to a 1.8L running a t25 at only 9psi that same day:



that's disheartening for sure, especially after driving both back to back.





we are talking $300-600 on a used block before fitting parts. That's trivial in the scheme of things.
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Sav, I don't disagree with what you've said but you're list of parts and comments apply to a high horsepower build. and for a high end build I completely agree.

what I've been saying is that if a mild build will satisfy, the costs to turbo are considerably less, and the relative cost of a 1.8 swap is higher.
I dont think you understand at all actually.

Even a "mild" build is 2500+

I think what you're confusing us all with is your definition of "mild" build being a hacked together POS setup that produces 200whp at best, vs the rest of us thinking of healthy 250whp fun setups that last.

I think.......
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I'm just talking about tossing in a unmolested 1.8L block...I never once mentioned touching the internals.
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I touched your internals last night
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Whoa, whoa, calm down brochacho. These things take time and I had to learn the ropes. Big power budget ballin' is an art.

Remember that you have a lot more experience than most, old man!

Edit: ARtech parts are almost here
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Some specifics then, look at fluffy pillows dyno in the dyno section. on an fm manifold and sr20 turbo with ms2 and mediocre exhaust he made 125lb/[email protected], 150lb/[email protected] and 200lb/ft from 4000rpm, that's my idea of a budget build, manifold and downpipe are $750 (current price), ms2 is what, 750 or less? and a I would assume the sr20 turbo was used. how is that a bad or hacked together build? nice power from 4000-7000 rpm, 125-150lb/ft available from 2500-4000, sounds like a pretty nice street car to me and pretty darn cheap for the performance.

add a cheap ebay intercooler and wideband for another $500-800


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Whoa, whoa, calm down brochacho. These things take time and I had to learn the ropes. Big power budget ballin' is an art.
you've been building/rebuilding your setup for like 5 years now.
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Some specifics then, look at fluffy pillows dyno in the dyno section. on an fm manifold and sr20 turbo with ms2 and mediocre exhaust he made 125lb/[email protected], 150lb/[email protected] and 200lb/ft from 4000rpm, that's my idea of a budget build, manifold and downpipe are $750 (current price), ms2 is what, 750 or less? and a I would assume the sr20 turbo was used. how is that a bad build? nice power from 4000-7000 rpm, 125-150lb/ft available from 2500-4000, sounds like a pretty nice street car to me and pretty darn cheap for the performance.


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you noticed all the skeptisim on his numbers right?

there was no way he's making 215hp on that turbo with that amount of boost. 60% DC on 460cc injectors is closer to 150rwhp dynojet. it takes me ~90% DC on 460cc injectors to make ~230rwhp dynojet.

making 150rwtq (dynojet) by 3000RPM is a great benchmark for the absolute bare minimum you want out of your setup; good luck*.




*hint, this is child's play for a 1.8L, it's not for a 1.6L.
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you've been building/rebuilding your setup for like 5 years now.
And you've been complaining about your 1.6 for even longer Just get a 1.8 you cheap jew

But seriously, I have been. ebay kit-fm3-2554, sr20 t25, 2870-etd-holset. It's progression and getting better all the time. Until then, I will talk mad **** because I'm cool like that
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I barely have the motivation to figure the logistics in getting the miata parked back over at my house...
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I barely have the motivation to figure the logistics in getting the miata parked back over at my house...
First world problems

OP, you're over thinking this. No one frowns in a turbo miata. It's physically impossible. If you can't source a 1.8 locally or can't afford the shipping of a long block, etc..you won't be "sad" with a turbo 1.6, especially if you're going to stay within stock motor power limits. I had so much damn fun with my 2554 that is was sickening.
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I barely have the motivation to figure the logistics in getting the miata parked back over at my house...
Saturday bro. We will make it happen.
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First world problems

OP, you're over thinking this. No one frowns in a turbo miata. It's physically impossible. If you can't source a 1.8 locally or can't afford the shipping of a long block, etc..you won't be "sad" with a turbo 1.6, especially if you're going to stay within stock motor power limits. I had so much damn fun with my 2554 that is was sickening.
lol, great reply
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On the other hand, for ~$600 there is no performance upgrade that comes anywhere near the price/performance of a 1.8 upgrade.

If you are going to shell out $4000+ for a turbo setup, it would be silly to not spend another $600 for a 1.8.
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it was only great because it supports your narrow mindset! he's like the msnbc to your liberal agenda.
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it was only great because it supports your narrow mindset! he's like the msnbc to your liberal agenda.
My red-state brethren.
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Sav, I don't disagree with what you've said but you're list of parts and comments apply to a high horsepower build.
No, they don't. The list of parts for a high-horsepower build is twice as long. My list is a 200-220whp setup.
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So much blue state and red state posts I see purple
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all that matters is that savington and I agree. when that happens, a unicorns gets its horn.
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