COP Thread
01-16-2008, 12:25 PM
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Yup, that what I meant by "in parallel" - those folks running wasted spark config have to wire the coils in pairs - one pair for 1 & 4 and one pair for 2 & 3.
Looks like some stock Miata ECUs have marginal ignition drivers, and each of those can't drive two Toyota coils in parallel. Also, the stock ECU is running different dwell times than what's recommended for the Toyota coils.
All that stuff (and that box they are talking about which most likely Jason C will be designing) is for people running stock ECUs and piggybacks (Xede, AEM F/IC, etc.)
For people running aftermarket standalone ECUs with strong drivers and adjustable dwell - all this doesn't matter.
Looks like some stock Miata ECUs have marginal ignition drivers, and each of those can't drive two Toyota coils in parallel. Also, the stock ECU is running different dwell times than what's recommended for the Toyota coils.
All that stuff (and that box they are talking about which most likely Jason C will be designing) is for people running stock ECUs and piggybacks (Xede, AEM F/IC, etc.)
For people running aftermarket standalone ECUs with strong drivers and adjustable dwell - all this doesn't matter.
Some concerns. I'm running mines exactly as Dan pictured them (except for the tach signal). Since I'm using my car's ecu and running the MS in parallel I'm worried about Jman's assertion that, quote:"the stock ECU is running different dwell times than what's recommended for Toyota coils".
My problem is that every now and then when I fire up the car I'll get some kind of noise resembling that of a backfire and a little bit of smoke. I checked once and saw some smoke coming from where the injectors are located so I assumed (yeah, I know about assuming :gay
that it could be fuel left over. Now I worry about whether the different dwell times may be an issue. If so, should I change those settings?Thanks,
Rafa
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01-16-2008, 12:36 PM
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It's not dwell times causing that pop at start up Rafa. It's a rich idle from when you shut the car off or your car is setup to prime when you turn the key on. For some reason MS discharges the coils when you turn the key on, so if fuel is left in the cylinders then it will pop.
You said you saw smoke from the injector area, that could mean you have a leak there. One of those pops could have blown off a vacuum line, that could cause a bad idle. If you have a vac leak your idle will surge or hunt around instead of being stable.
Your MS is running the correct dwell times for your COPs Rafa. That's not something you need to worry about.
You said you saw smoke from the injector area, that could mean you have a leak there. One of those pops could have blown off a vacuum line, that could cause a bad idle. If you have a vac leak your idle will surge or hunt around instead of being stable.
Your MS is running the correct dwell times for your COPs Rafa. That's not something you need to worry about.
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01-16-2008, 12:55 PM
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It's not dwell times causing that pop at start up Rafa. It's a rich idle from when you shut the car off or your car is setup to prime when you turn the key on. For some reason MS discharges the coils when you turn the key on, so if fuel is left in the cylinders then it will pop.
You said you saw smoke from the injector area, that could mean you have a leak there. One of those pops could have blown off a vacuum line, that could cause a bad idle. If you have a vac leak your idle will surge or hunt around instead of being stable.
Your MS is running the correct dwell times for your COPs Rafa. That's not something you need to worry about.
You said you saw smoke from the injector area, that could mean you have a leak there. One of those pops could have blown off a vacuum line, that could cause a bad idle. If you have a vac leak your idle will surge or hunt around instead of being stable.
Your MS is running the correct dwell times for your COPs Rafa. That's not something you need to worry about.
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01-17-2008, 09:50 AM
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01-17-2008, 10:29 AM
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I read the last 10 pages and I am a bit confused. From what I understand 96/97 cars dont need a separate tach input run from the COP's because the ECU gets its reading from the CAS?
The second thing im confused about is the location of the coil plug harness under the hood. Is it the big plug above the fuel injectors or the smaller 4 plug one in the back near the coil?
The second thing im confused about is the location of the coil plug harness under the hood. Is it the big plug above the fuel injectors or the smaller 4 plug one in the back near the coil?
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01-17-2008, 12:29 PM
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There are 2 grey plugs to the coils on the 96/97. Those only have 3 connectors because the tach isn't connected there.
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01-17-2008, 12:35 PM
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In '90 .. '95 cars the coil packs generate the square wave (by grounding the wire to the tach, ECU just pulls up)
In '95-1/2 .. '05 cars, the ECU generates the square wave
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02-03-2008, 03:38 PM
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simple cop test
Is there a way to do a basic test on a toyota cop with just a multimeter? I've been searching around and apparently the primary and secondary coils should have a resistance between a certain range, but I'm not sure which leads I need to check or if this is even possible without powering them on and having a more elaborate setup.
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02-03-2008, 06:16 PM
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Is there a way to do a basic test on a toyota cop with just a multimeter? I've been searching around and apparently the primary and secondary coils should have a resistance between a certain range, but I'm not sure which leads I need to check or if this is even possible without powering them on and having a more elaborate setup.
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02-03-2008, 07:16 PM
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FWIW, I'm one of TWO miata owners who can't get COP to work.. I'm convinced that the ignitors in my coils are the malfunction.
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02-10-2008, 09:50 AM
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elesjuan,
Is your car a 99/00? If so the 99/00 ECU cannot drive 2 COPs at the same time.
I am working on a circuit that will enable the 99/00 ECU to drive the COPs in pairs, and also reduce the dwell to what is required.
Is your car a 99/00? If so the 99/00 ECU cannot drive 2 COPs at the same time.
I am working on a circuit that will enable the 99/00 ECU to drive the COPs in pairs, and also reduce the dwell to what is required.
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02-10-2008, 09:53 AM
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I wasn't finished with the above message, but I am sitting in front of a beach in the Carribean with my laptop, I leaned over to get a slice of pizza, and my belly pressed down on the touchpad! 
The 99/00 dwell times are so long that it will make the COPs run very hot possibly overheating.
Anyway, I also have an idea for a circuit that will generate fully sequential signals for the COPs, derived from the 99/00 cam sensor signal. This will make the COPs run half as hot, good for high RPM operation.
The 99/00 dwell times are so long that it will make the COPs run very hot possibly overheating.
Anyway, I also have an idea for a circuit that will generate fully sequential signals for the COPs, derived from the 99/00 cam sensor signal. This will make the COPs run half as hot, good for high RPM operation.
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