NA1.6 Stock internals... advice please!
#64
"Because I already have the 1.6" is ignorant if we are talking about building a good turbo setup, as a few hundred for a 1.8 swap is a drop in the bucket next to $5k for a turbo kit.
Add MS and injectors about $1300 kit... still not a drop in the bucket IMO.
#67
You choose not to swap a 1.8 despite knowing it is superior, that's stubborn. If you were lazy you would just drive a stock 1.6 and not mod it at all.
That's why I qualified it with 'good turbo setup' (no offense). When you add $700 for a torsen, $500 for a 3" exhaust, $500 for a clutch, etc. suddenly $500 for a 1.8 is a drop in the bucket.
Also if you're going MS anyway, what do you need from the 'swap kit' besides mounting brackets and mounts?
That's why I qualified it with 'good turbo setup' (no offense). When you add $700 for a torsen, $500 for a 3" exhaust, $500 for a clutch, etc. suddenly $500 for a 1.8 is a drop in the bucket.
Also if you're going MS anyway, what do you need from the 'swap kit' besides mounting brackets and mounts?
#68
But you would make more power lower which you could probably not use anyway since you already have traction issues. And you still want more power.
Worse comes to worse and you just end up with a perfect street car that makes 240/240 and runs flawlessy everyday, am I right?
#69
I think the 1.6 debate on this forum fails to miss a major point - just because something is better doesn't mean is necessary or the alternative is 'wrong'.
It's a matter of context/priorities
-For those building a no compromise track car (if there is such a thing), going with a 1.6 would be foolish.
-For buying into the miata platform, going with a 1.6 would be foolish.
-For those looking to make a quicker-than-stock street car which might see some non-competitive autoX/track time, a 1.6 would be perfectly fine AND DURABLE.
As for a 1.6 being 'revvier' than a 1.8 ... complete bullshit. I have a 1.6 and a 1.8. The 1.8 just has more low end torque therefor it feels flatter or less peaky/'revy'. The only advantage to a 1.6 is the cheaper purchase price and the oil/coolant feed ports on the side of the block
It's a matter of context/priorities
-For those building a no compromise track car (if there is such a thing), going with a 1.6 would be foolish.
-For buying into the miata platform, going with a 1.6 would be foolish.
-For those looking to make a quicker-than-stock street car which might see some non-competitive autoX/track time, a 1.6 would be perfectly fine AND DURABLE.
As for a 1.6 being 'revvier' than a 1.8 ... complete bullshit. I have a 1.6 and a 1.8. The 1.8 just has more low end torque therefor it feels flatter or less peaky/'revy'. The only advantage to a 1.6 is the cheaper purchase price and the oil/coolant feed ports on the side of the block
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You dont have any slippage issues using the B6 flywheel?
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when you compared nitrodann's 325rwhp gt2560 22psi dyno with hrk's 332rwhp gt2560 19psi dyno.
hrk made 240rwtq at 3500.
nitrodann made 150 at 3500.
similar to Soviet's EFR dyno:
compare the blue and red solid TQ outputs.
anyways...digress..
#77
And now we get to the heart of it.
Which makes me wonder why this comment pissed all the 1.6 owners off?
If the only advantage is cheapness, why throw money at cheapness? I have yet to hear someone with a turbo 1.6 say "If I had to do it again, I would stick with my 1.6." So why is Sav advising a noob to do what you all wish you could have done offensive?
Which makes me wonder why this comment pissed all the 1.6 owners off?
If the only advantage is cheapness, why throw money at cheapness? I have yet to hear someone with a turbo 1.6 say "If I had to do it again, I would stick with my 1.6." So why is Sav advising a noob to do what you all wish you could have done offensive?
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So to count we have 2 "ignorance" ("If I could do it over I'd do a 1.8) and 1 "stubborn" ("I just don't feel like pulling the engine") with Ryan not giving a clear answer.
I understand you all had your 1.6s already, but that is exactly the point Sav was trying to make.
I understand you all had your 1.6s already, but that is exactly the point Sav was trying to make.
And I never said if I could do it over with a 1.8 I would. I did it exactly how I wanted given the circumstances.
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I figured thats what i would be looking at, more low end power. the 1.6 has NO low end power, boosted or otherwise. The "revviness" is IMO just an excuse as to why people DONT swap. I can see keeping with the 1.6 if you really dont have good power goals, and just want to play around, but i dont think theres a better alternative if you want REAL power.
You dont have any slippage issues using the B6 flywheel?
You dont have any slippage issues using the B6 flywheel?
It has the ACT XT clutch for the 1.6 which is rated to 240 ft/lbs at the wheel.
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