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Old 08-14-2009, 05:42 PM   #21
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wut? Sister's car?
nah, a friend bought adaptronic.

Remember that no one in dallas believes that stand alone engine management is cost effective. "Just run a voodoo card!!!"
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:17 PM   #22
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Oh ****, the whole time I thought this was the bigger blower. Good job dude. Now get a proper tune on it with MS. I'm really anxious to see what the tune looks like with proper engine management...considering I'm about to tune adaptronic on an 01 w/ mp62.
LOL MS? I already have AEM EMS w/ MAP senso; which is a lot better, and twice the resolution. The numbers are after a tune from a shop I used to work at, which is an AEM dealer and a friend that works is an "master tuner" which just means hes certified by AEM.

My friend with a 99 moor and MP62 easily made 240whp...and could have made more but for realiability and autocross he had it de-tund to 220whp, That is with AEM, intercooled, TB reocated.
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Very nice numbers! My setup makes 167hp on a Dyno Dynamics with Adaptronic, the JR kit running 6-7psi, 10:1 compression (2002 bottom end), JR headers and Magnaflow muffler (2.5" all the way). I don't have water injection but I have the JR water-to-air intercooler. Are the stock injectors close to maxing out? I'm running RX-7 460cc which probably isn't helping my cause, I think the stock ones spray better.

The tuner I use is well respected but usually only does Haltech, Autronic and MoTeC.

Can you post up your ignition and fuel tables?
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:19 AM   #24
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Since you used the word "integral" I'm going to say that yeah...I like your torque curve.

Those are very impressive numbers, especially for such low manifold pressure. Methanol IS doing more than intercooling though, it is a fuel after all. It's allowing you to seriously advance timing by acting as a detonation deterrent.

VERY good tuning. I would not turn away from a drive in that.


Joe's right though about your torque curve dropping off up top. At higher hp/flow numbers I'd blame the manifold, but this shouldn't be a problem at your power level. In this case I wonder how much is to blame on blower inefficiency at those rpms, and how much of it is our stock cams tuned for mid-range torque.

If you ever start to feel like it's running out of breath up top, maybe look into an adjustable gear on the intake cam, but honestly your torque drops off less than 90% of the turbo setups I've seen, but those are all around 250whp, where the intake mani/throttle body are a restriction.
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Soflairick's heavily modded mp45 setup was making 190rwhp like 3 years ago, and then the supercharger let go, irrc...however, the most basic SR20 T25 setup makes a more impressive setup to me

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Almost equivalent torque curve, but his supercharger setup is getting over 150ft-lbs almost 500rpm sooner, and holds it past 6500rpm, a little longer and with a shallower tangent than the tiny turbo. This of course nets it a little more peak power as well.

But I'm sure an SR20 T25 with a well-tuned AEM and meth injection would do just as well, if not better.
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blue is mp45 red is t25. torque curves aren't even close....what are you looking at?
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Great setup for hair drying!
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blue is mp45 red is t25. torque curves aren't even close....what are you looking at?
Oh...you graphed the two...I'm an idiot. I thought you were comparing some random T25 with larger turbo graph. Den den den

Looks like that MP45 is about 10hp lower...but still DAMN!
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Oh...you graphed the two...I'm an idiot. I thought you were comparing some random T25 with larger turbo graph. Den den den

Looks like that MP45 is about 10hp lower...but still DAMN!
Ten hell! It's 50whp at 5000! And that torque value difference at 4000 looks like 60 more delicious footypounds.
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I prefer Mustang dyno. Dynojet and others are for bragging rights
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Whats this "custom throttle body relocation" crap?

I want pictures..

For about 2 weeks I had the throttle body on the intake where it belongs w/a blowoff valve and driveability was COMPLETE ****. At part throttle on the highway to maintain 65mph with any kind of load the compressors bypass would close and start making pressure. On a 30 degree day I was seeing 240 degree IATs at a nearly ZERO load highway cruise! Charger has an 8psi pulley and wouldn't ever pass 6psi, even at redline. Swapped the throttle body around to the rear of the charger now it makes 8 - 12psi at redline, depending on belt slipping.

Car feels pretty quick but still isn't **** against the "205rwhp" chinacharger setup on the blue car, which held against a lightning the other night w/8psi pulley, headers, full exhaust, and a great tune..
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'94 MP45 with Meth injection at "5"psi


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'94 Begi S1 with Journal T25 at 9psi with stock exhaust.






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haha...can't believe I missed the resurection of this thread. But would like to add a little to it:

First, I have definatetely questioned the numbers my car made. I was hoping someone who is much more knowledgable in tuning than I am could look at my fuel and ign tables. I just recently have been learning how to use AEMPro and and still trying to learn more about actual tuning. Unfortunately the only AFR I have is off the dyno pull since I dont have a WB.

But I would really like to get some useful input, cause this was 4 hours of tuning at $150 an hour, and if they just fudged the numbers to make it look better then I really would like to have a talk with them! But first want to make sure I have grounds to do so..


Anyways if there is anything else from the tune I should post that I can dig up I'll try to do so. Thanks
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