There should be no ambiguity or questions about the fuel system. It is not dependent on chassis or wiring or what intake manifold you use or anything else. For any NB motor in any NA chassis, you use a 99-00 rail and a USDM 90-93 -OR- EUDM 99-00 FPR.
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1158403)
Fuel system:
Use a 1999-2000 fuel rail and a 1990-1993 USDM fuel pressure regulator installed upside down with the fuel outlet bent straight to clear the intake manifold. No other combination of USDM parts will work. The 90-93 fuel rails are too short, the 94-97 rails have incorrect mounting tabs, and the 01-05 rail places the fuel pressure regulator in a spot which interferes with the cylinder head. The 94-97 FPR places the pressure reference in a spot which interferes with the cylinder head and the 99-05 regulators do not have a return line. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1457929)
There should be no ambiguity or questions about the fuel system. It is not dependent on chassis or wiring or what intake manifold you use or anything else. For any NB motor in any NA chassis, you use a 99-00 rail and a USDM 90-93 -OR- EUDM 99-00 FPR.
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Have a question on fitment of injector harness with squaretop and aftermarket fuel rail from Radium. The 97 injector harness appears much bulkier than NB injector harness that was designed to lay under the IM as opposed to above the fuel rail as the case in NA.
I have to take the squaretop apart to get to connect the injectors anyway..is there a recommended NB injector harness swap into NA? Thanks |
I used an NA8 FPR flipped on a BP4W rail with success for a while. It's a straight barb so no bending the tube.
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Originally Posted by stevos555
(Post 1458576)
Have a question on fitment of injector harness with squaretop and aftermarket fuel rail from Radium. The 97 injector harness appears much bulkier than NB injector harness that was designed to lay under the IM as opposed to above the fuel rail as the case in NA.
I have to take the squaretop apart to get to connect the injectors anyway..is there a recommended NB injector harness swap into NA? Thanks
Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix
(Post 1458580)
I used an NA8 FPR flipped on a BP4W rail with success for a while. It's a straight barb so no bending the tube.
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1158403)
The 94-97 FPR places the pressure reference in a spot which interferes with the cylinder head
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Thanks Sav. So keep the 97 harness and just make it fit? |
Oh wow, didn't know there where two different Bp4w fuel rails.
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My injector can’t be turned 90 degrees due to clearance with the head. I guess will need to run it at 180 degrees and sneak the plug in the tight opening. Can someone confirm that they have also this much clearance with the squaretop.
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Originally Posted by stevos555
(Post 1458631)
My injector can’t be turned 90 degrees due to clearance with the head. I guess will need to run it at 180 degrees and sneak the plug in the tight opening. Can someone confirm that they have also this much clearance with the squaretop.
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I may have confused 97 with 99. On the NA8 they were straight by the head as there was more room between rail and head. Please correct me if I am wrong as i am a noob and being a bit OCD.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1158403)
1994-1997 coils: +12v: 94-97: Blue 99-05: Black/White trigger cyl 1/4: 94-97: brown 99-00: brown/yellow 01-05: brown/white trigger cyl 2/3: 94-97: brown/yellow 99-00: brown 01-05: black/yellow ground: 94-05: black https://www.miataturbo.net/useful-sa...04/#post152397 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327066127 |
Done, thanks. Up to v1.06 now
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Got a question, running a BP6D in a 96 chassis. Confirmed it has fuel/spark/compression. Loaded the 99-00 startup map from MSPNP.com MegaSquirtPNP by DIYAutoTune.com The vvt actuator is wired but not hooked up as we would like to get it started first. Using a stock oem 99-05 trigger wheel, that is installed correctly. Stock injectors, 99 fuel rail, 1.6 regulator, skunk2 intake. We were able to get the original motor running on the same ecu before pulling it.
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Just confirming. If I use the BP5B-13-280 (UK) fuel regulator, I should point the fuel return downwards correct? Seems like that makes it a convenient part. Thanks!
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Yes, it fires down. You're basically using the EUDM parts in their original EUDM configuration.
On the S1 car I'm building (VVT motor into a '94), I used the VVT rail with an adapter and an external FPR. It is a tight fit, but it works. The adapter lets the outlet fire at a ~45deg aimed forward, which is the only space a fuel line would fit into. For folks who were going to use an aftermarket FPR anyway, it's a good option. I'll post some pics here and in my current S1/ST4 customer build thread later today. |
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This is our regulator adapter on a VVT fuel rail with an Earl's Vaporguard 1/8" NPT to 5/16" 90deg fitting. The green goo is Gasoila E85 sealant. There's no way to get a standard FPR in this spot with clearance for vac/fuel hookups, but you can get the NPT fitting oriented correctly so it just barely sneaks out of there. This is a good option for people who are going to run an aftermarket FPR (something like a Fuelab 545 would go inline between this and the return line) since you can use the OEM VVT rail that comes on the motor instead of sourcing a combination of US parts or a hard-to-find EUDM 99-00 setup. Adapter: Trackspeed FPR Adapter Fuelab 545-series: Fuelab Fuel Pressure Regulator |
Can we add to the Alternator section of the first post that you need a different lug for the 94-97? It's easier to "relug/crimp new lug" it when you have the engine out.
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Originally Posted by ysleem
(Post 1468745)
Can we add to the Alternator section of the first post that you need a different lug for the 94-97? It's easier to "relug/crimp new lug" it when you have the engine out.
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Brown wire from engine harness (1.6) to 94 97 alternator. This app wont let me upload pics.
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