Notices
Engine Performance This section is for discussion on all engine building related questions.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: KPower

Honda intake manifold

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 03:48 PM
  #121  
Full_Tilt_Boogie's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 5,155
Total Cats: 409
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

Originally Posted by Fireindc
+1, this thread needs more pics. Especially since its been done before!

Someone make these and sell them for a reasonable price with proven gains.
Im not sure who did this but Ive had these pics on my computer for a while now. Im pretty sure the manifold was for a GSR (B18C1), and that a BP flange mated to it pretty easily.

Name:  int008.jpg
Views: 644
Size:  71.7 KB

Name:  int011.jpg
Views: 671
Size:  80.5 KB

Name:  int012.jpg
Views: 664
Size:  79.7 KB

Name:  int040.jpg
Views: 617
Size:  87.1 KB
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 04:03 PM
  #122  
stranges12712's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 431
Total Cats: 2
From: Niagara Falls, ON
Default

Wasn`t BEGi building a throttle body for the 1.6L motor?
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 04:20 PM
  #123  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

you mean IM....did you miss my posts?
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 07:21 PM
  #124  
M-Tuned's Avatar
Guest
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,085
Total Cats: 1
From: Vaughan, On, Canada
Default

Here are some old pictures....
Attached Thumbnails Honda intake manifold-imgp0215.jpg   Honda intake manifold-dcp00703.jpg   Honda intake manifold-engine.jpg  
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 07:27 PM
  #125  
M-Tuned's Avatar
Guest
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,085
Total Cats: 1
From: Vaughan, On, Canada
Default

Anyone know if anyone makes a BP Intake Manifold flange? I have access to a stock Axura Integra GSR intake manifold and a Type-R but I need some flanges to play. Our dyno arrives in March and this could be a fun project assuming I have time
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 08:50 PM
  #126  
cueball1's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,875
Total Cats: 2
From: Tigard, Oregon
Default

So what's the most ghetto fab way to join the cut off miata bracket to the honda runners that would actually work? JB Weld? Aluminum brazing rod? Duct tape? Chewing gum? Or would this have to be welded proper.
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 09:47 PM
  #127  
disturbedfan121's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,552
Total Cats: -2
From: Freehold, NJ
Default

Originally Posted by Marc@M-Tuned.com
Anyone know if anyone makes a BP Intake Manifold flange? I have access to a stock Axura Integra GSR intake manifold and a Type-R but I need some flanges to play. Our dyno arrives in March and this could be a fun project assuming I have time
you're the shop lol, why not cut the stock one off use it as a mold and make some new ones out of it
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 10:52 PM
  #128  
sn95's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 297
Total Cats: 0
From: Lisle, IL
Default

Originally Posted by cueball1
So what's the most ghetto fab way to join the cut off miata bracket to the honda runners that would actually work? JB Weld? Aluminum brazing rod? Duct tape? Chewing gum? Or would this have to be welded proper.
Hmm, us "great minds" think alike! I've been wondering if cutting off the Miata flange with about 2" runner stubs is a possibility. Open up the runner stubs to match the ID of the Honda manifold runners and then cut the Honda flange and about 2" of each runner off. Use 4 silicon hose couplers & 8 SS T-bolt clamps to physically join the Miata flange to the Honda manifold along with modifying/adapting the stock Miata intake manifold support to the Honda manifold so that the silicon hose connector tubes aren't holding any weight. Ghetto, but very functional. FWIW, Lycoming aircraft engines have logged millions of hours with these funking rubber/silicon connector hose intakes.

YMMV
Old Jan 26, 2010 | 11:17 PM
  #129  
apariah's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 538
Total Cats: -2
From: NHR, TX
Default

WOW, thats rigged, but it seems like the same concept alot of the ITB guys use when adapting GSXR throttle bodies to the miata.

Originally Posted by sn95
Hmm, us "great minds" think alike! I've been wondering if cutting off the Miata flange with about 2" runner stubs is a possibility. Open up the runner stubs to match the ID of the Honda manifold runners and then cut the Honda flange and about 2" of each runner off. Use 4 silicon hose couplers & 8 SS T-bolt clamps to physically join the Miata flange to the Honda manifold along with modifying/adapting the stock Miata intake manifold support to the Honda manifold so that the silicon hose connector tubes aren't holding any weight. Ghetto, but very functional. FWIW, Lycoming aircraft engines have logged millions of hours with these funking rubber/silicon connector hose intakes.

YMMV
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 06:25 AM
  #130  
gospeed81's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (51)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 7,257
Total Cats: 26
From: Spring, TX
Default

Almost all motorcycles use a similar setup...but of course the couplings aren't supporting any weight.

Vibrations would be my main concern, but if you could properly support the plenum I'm sure it could work.


I'm going to try to get mine properly welded. It hits the band saw early saturday morning (when no one is on the shop floor yet), and will dress it over the weekend and check out these local aluminum welders in the Woodlands to see what they'll charge.


The only problem with couplers I see is that the honda runners are not straight.
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 06:35 AM
  #131  
M-Tuned's Avatar
Guest
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,085
Total Cats: 1
From: Vaughan, On, Canada
Default

Originally Posted by disturbedfan121
you're the shop lol, why not cut the stock one off use it as a mold and make some new ones out of it
Our CNC guy will only do runs of 150 or more... I don't need that many flanges..... Do you???

Plus I don't want to hack up my OEM 2000 SE Manifold with 4 extra injectors.
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 06:38 AM
  #132  
M-Tuned's Avatar
Guest
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,085
Total Cats: 1
From: Vaughan, On, Canada
Default

Originally Posted by cueball1
So what's the most ghetto fab way to join the cut off miata bracket to the honda runners that would actually work? JB Weld? Aluminum brazing rod? Duct tape? Chewing gum? Or would this have to be welded proper.
Personally I would say it needs to be Aluminum Welded.. You don't want it to separate. I've seen an intake with silicone couplers fail as the engine basically hits the redline as there is no T-Body restriction.
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 03:08 PM
  #133  
longuyen88's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 332
Total Cats: 0
From: Socal
Default

subscribed for interest

I had a skunk2 ITR intake manifold on my B16 civic. It def. increased the power on the top end. You can find used ITR/BLOX/SKUNK/OBX manifolds for like $100 shipped. I wonder what improvements this would give for an NA application.
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 07:51 PM
  #134  
Midtenn's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,195
Total Cats: 310
From: Murfreesboro,TN
Default

Originally Posted by Marc@M-Tuned.com
Our CNC guy will only do runs of 150 or more... I don't need that many flanges..... Do you???

Plus I don't want to hack up my OEM 2000 SE Manifold with 4 extra injectors.
Find someone that will burn them on a laser or cut them out on a water jet. Probably much cheaper than a machinist (they like their work too much, haha). If we had any short run capacity at work I'd look into running them on our laser (we can run up to 1" tooling steel). The finish on a laser isn't going to be awesome, but with a little clean up, it'd be good to go. Water jet (I wish we had one at work) could have a great finish right off the bed.
Old Jan 27, 2010 | 10:41 PM
  #135  
dc2696's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,202
Total Cats: 21
From: Edmonton Ab, Canada
Default

Originally Posted by Midtenn
Find someone that will burn them on a laser or cut them out on a water jet. Probably much cheaper than a machinist (they like their work too much, haha). If we had any short run capacity at work I'd look into running them on our laser (we can run up to 1" tooling steel). The finish on a laser isn't going to be awesome, but with a little clean up, it'd be good to go. Water jet (I wish we had one at work) could have a great finish right off the bed.
Water cutting isn't to pricey either, my SS manifold flange was only 80bux to cut and was super smooth, no cleanup needed.
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 01:53 AM
  #136  
Eadohcturbo's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 92
Total Cats: 0
From: Eastside Muff~Palmdale,CA
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by dc2696
Water cutting isn't to pricey either, my SS manifold flange was only 80bux to cut and was super smooth, no cleanup needed.
I know of someone who does waterjetting.I was actually heading over there to see about an exhaust flange,so I can ask tommorow for a price for the intake also.
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 03:02 AM
  #137  
cueball1's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,875
Total Cats: 2
From: Tigard, Oregon
Default

Get the price for maybe 10 in aluminum!
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 10:37 PM
  #138  
Eadohcturbo's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 92
Total Cats: 0
From: Eastside Muff~Palmdale,CA
Default

^didn't get a chance to price..was unaware they close at 4:30pm ?? so i'll try tommorow.
If you have just a flange - what about the injector bosses and fuel rail mounting?
Old Jan 28, 2010 | 11:05 PM
  #139  
Midtenn's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,195
Total Cats: 310
From: Murfreesboro,TN
Default

Another plus I thought of with the water jetting is that it'll be as true as the material itself. The laser may deform the material some as it is cutting. I would probably still be wise to plane the flange once it is welded on either way.
Old Jan 29, 2010 | 10:43 AM
  #140  
dc2696's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,202
Total Cats: 21
From: Edmonton Ab, Canada
Default

Originally Posted by Eadohcturbo
^didn't get a chance to price..was unaware they close at 4:30pm ?? so i'll try tommorow.
If you have just a flange - what about the injector bosses and fuel rail mounting?
Another advantage for the 1.8, our mounting gear is on the head.

You 1.6 guys will have to cut your oem intakes far enough back to include that jazz like Braineack did whefn he built his manifold.



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:42 PM.