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Old 09-16-2010, 10:27 PM   #21
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He speaketh the truth.
I can only imagine driving Eliminators miata
IMO with all the writeups, testing, and knowledge we have on this site alone, a bit of research and careful planning and you could throw together a NASTY miata.
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Just do a full B20B swap with v-tec head.
It spins the wrong way
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Old 09-16-2010, 10:38 PM   #23
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You mean the right way hahahahaha
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To the OP, have you ever driven or rode in a 300 whp Miata?
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You mean the right way hahahahaha
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Old 09-16-2010, 10:50 PM   #26
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Or reach beyond honda and go farther
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Sure, the BPs just aren't great engines. The Honda B series have significantly better head design for high speed operation. However, at the risk of all sorts of fury, have you ever seen an integra with corvette LS3? There's 430hp/426tq in a 2500lb car.
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^ No but i've seen a 800 hp del sol that is around 2000 pounds.


To the OP, I just think that the technology isn't there yet for us, or will ever be. Honda community has several huge shops making CAD designed intake manifolds, several companies making cams (they're like 50 choices in cams for a B-series) so much more R&D then we have...
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have you ever seen an integra with corvette LS3? There's 430hp/426tq in a 2500lb car.
Have you ever rode in a Miata with a LS3?
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:36 AM   #30
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All it takes is know-how and alot of elbow grease.
Don't forget the deep pockets.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:38 AM   #31
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In the end we all still own mazdas and hondas...
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Has anyone pointed out that the Honda engines' (B, H, K, F) higher redline, all other factors equal, pretty much guarantees they'll make more horsepower?

I know it's far from being the only factor, but it's worth noting.
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No, I wouldn't say that.

D-series have made 700 whp on pump gas and from the factory they redline at like 7000 RPM, and noted they're SOHC 1.6

It's all about engineering and R&D like I said before, the money in their market is so much higher than ours making for a lot more options and better parts.
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Bisimoto is one hell of an engineer.

But yah, I said that earlier. There are lots of people making 400+ hp on dirt cheap D series builds. Cast pistons from the suzuki vitara with stock length H-beam rods creats like 7.5:1 compression ratio. Peaople are running 20-25 psi on pump gas and making 400 plus. A few drag racers have gone into the 600 hjp range with STOCK CAST PISTONS FROM A SUZUKI! lol
not to mention the fact that itrs a SOHC 1.6
Everybody thinks the D series is shitty, when in fact its really a better engine for turbo than a B imo, kinda like the BP, it needs rods and a cam to make power.
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^^ Bisi tuned my first built motor and it blew up, but that's another story lol
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LOL did you hear him say its stainless steel then its aluminum? Homeboy is a bit confused
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No, I wouldn't say that.

D-series have made 700 whp on pump gas and from the factory they redline at like 7000 RPM, and noted they're SOHC 1.6

It's all about engineering and R&D like I said before, the money in their market is so much higher than ours making for a lot more options and better parts.
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Has anyone pointed out that the Honda engines' (B, H, K, F) higher redline, all other factors equal, pretty much guarantees they'll make more horsepower?

I know it's far from being the only factor, but it's worth noting.
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Don't get horny...
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Old 09-17-2010, 01:25 AM   #39
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what the hell is the point in saying "ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL"?

They're NOT and will never be so who cares.

Its like saying, "I got a 3 inch dick and you have a 20 incher, but ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL we'd probably be the same in bed"
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This is one of the worst threads I've read in my life, worse than the time I caught HIV from your mothers. With that said, nothing pisses me off more than the damn H2 and H1 cars steam-rolling me on the straights.

I'd love to see a Honda motor swapped into a Miata.
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