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I posted this in Emilio's Junk thread, but it was deleted for some reason. Reposting here....
SBGarage posted these pics on their Instagram. No word on what it was compared to.
Edit: This was posted previously in this thread, but for clarification:
First plot is on Mazdaspeeder's mazdaspeed compared to the stock manifold. Stock turbo, Adaptronic, ID1000, Begi throttle inlet & downpipe, Enthuza midpipe and exhaust, ebay intercooler, AEM intake.
Second plot is a the skunk2 manifold and TB on a MSM motor compared to a `99 manifold with VICS disabled
First one is the MSM that was referenced earlier in this thread. Second one i believe is a highly questionable non-turbo MSM motor, making hilarious record breaking power with non-functional VICS manifold, then even more hilarious record breaking power with a Skunk2 manifold.
Neither are anything close to scientific. But at least prove that it's not worse.
Cant wait to see a comparison on setups that are not weird as ****.
The first one looks like its got boost control issues, or **** exhaust. The second one... "VICS disabled"... On an intake manifold test? Do they mean it was in one position or the other? One of those terrible gutted manifolds?
I dont need this kind of autism in my life. In for real results.
Cant wait to see a comparison on setups that are not weird as ****.
The first one looks like its got boost control issues, or **** exhaust. The second one... "VICS disabled"... On an intake manifold test? Do they mean it was in one position or the other? One of those terrible gutted manifolds?
I dont need this kind of autism in my life. In for real results.
I think i was an MSM motor with a VICS manifold, in an NA8, running a BP05 ecu. So yeahhhh.... not only garbage, but those dyno numbers are outrageous.
I'm just curious when it'll be in the hands of some YouTubers. No offense to Greg (CarPassionalChannel) because he usually presents a solid base of information, but if he puts one on his car, no matter the results, Skunk2's will be flying off the shelf.
this cracked me up because the first part just happened, about the flyin off the shelf, we will see
FM just published this on their facebook. S2 against a VTCS with the butterflies removed. Bigger percentage gains than we saw but that's to be expected against a VTCS. Same pattern to what we saw N/A against the squaretop.
We saw around 4-5% with the S2 vs sqaretop in a narrow 1000rpm band, minor losses below that. They saw around 9% with the S2 against the VTCS, same losses below. That roughly 5% delta is what we have seen with a squaretop vs the VICS so the trend is as one might predict.
They didn't have a squaretop in the shop so we're sending them one to rerun the test.
Kudo's to the folks at FM for testing and publishing. They have the S2's on their site for sale now too.
They really like to use the VTCS dyno plot for which to compare everything. Anything is going to show gains against that thing :P
but it is nice to see a plot on a turboed motor.
extra kudos to you emilio for sending them a flattop!
I find it odd that FM never has a flattop laying around for testing. This is the second time I can remember they've done intake manifold testing and had to have a flattop loaned to them.
I find it odd that FM never has a flattop laying around for testing. This is the second time I can remember they've done intake manifold testing and had to have a flattop loaned to them.
again, because all gains look better against a VTSC.
Ignore that comparison. FM is at high elevation and has a different Dyno than everyone else in the world. So pointless comparison. That's also a 2L stroker motor. No need for bench racing. Oh and 190kpa is like 13psi, not 20psi.
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