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sixshooter 08-12-2012 09:18 PM

Downloading for the first time 78% 793kb.

I gots to learn me how to play this thing in a bit. Is it like doom, halflife, etc?

sixshooter717

blaen99 08-12-2012 09:19 PM

Sort of Six, I'll be sure to hop on tonight and help out if I see you on and you are part of the MT.net steam group.

redturbomiata 08-12-2012 09:24 PM

havnt played in a while, i think i may jump on if a few people are on later. i noticed the vent server is down is there another form of communication now?

blaen99 08-12-2012 11:58 PM

Was fun tonight REdturbomiata/Sixshooter/Splittime.

sixshooter 08-13-2012 08:11 AM

Yeah it was fun. I was fail because of laptop mousepad look/aim and a bit of ping delay. And of course lack of skill.

I still get no cursor on any of the menu/game selection screens. Does anyone know what that is about? It makes starting a game or adjusting options nearly impossible and takes away game time and some of the fun.

Saml01 08-13-2012 03:03 PM

Need to ask the mods to setup games and send out group invites.

Anyone know how much pipe is necessary to host a TF2 match?

shuiend 08-13-2012 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by redturbomiata (Post 914471)
havnt played in a while, i think i may jump on if a few people are on later. i noticed the vent server is down is there another form of communication now?

Is the vent server down? I used it last Thursday and it was up then


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 914698)
Need to ask the mods to setup games and send out group invites.

Anyone know how much pipe is necessary to host a TF2 match?

Depends on how many people. I tried to get rick to give me server space to setup a mt.net tf2 server. If we are seriously interested in one I can help. I have ran several cs and l4d2 servers in the past.

G3ML1NGZ 08-14-2012 05:00 AM

Am I the only one that is excited as fuck for the mann vs machine update tomorrow?

Mann vs. Machine - YouTube

jeff_man 08-14-2012 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by G3ML1NGZ (Post 915023)
Am I the only one that is excited as fuck for the mann vs machine update tomorrow?

Mann vs. Machine - YouTube

Yep now I have a reason to install TF2 again.

I Fix

Team Fortress 2 - Mann vs. Machine


Mann vs. Machine is a new co-operative game for Team Fortress 2 that lets you and five friends wage a desperate battle to stop a lethal horde of robots from deploying a bomb in one of Mann Co.’s many strongholds. Take advantage of breaks between waves to upgrade your abilities and weapons. Survive all the waves in any of a variety of missions to earn incredible loot.

G3ML1NGZ 08-14-2012 09:58 AM

and you know how valve have a habit of teasing the fans before they release something? well, they've been hinting this for the last 2 years!

Everything we know about Man versus Machine, and the ARG. : tf2

Saml01 08-14-2012 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 914703)
Is the vent server down? I used it last Thursday and it was up then



Depends on how many people. I tried to get rick to give me server space to setup a mt.net tf2 server. If we are seriously interested in one I can help. I have ran several cs and l4d2 servers in the past.

I wouldn't mind hosting a game for MT.NET folks to get together for scheduled games. I have fios with 30/30 service. It shouldn't be a thing to open a port in my firewall, install the server on my HTPC machine(E8500, 4gigs Ram) and get it going.

Thoughts?

jeff_man 08-14-2012 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 915110)
I wouldn't mind hosting a game for MT.NET folks to get together for scheduled games. I have fios with 30/30 service. It shouldn't be a thing to open a port in my firewall, install the server on my HTPC machine(E8500, 4gigs Ram) and get it going.

Thoughts?

I bet coop will be ran in a p2p format or the person with the faster/stronger connection is auto set to host or a mix of the 2.A server should not be needed as it's a 5 person deal but we will know tomorrow.

Prob the l4d system of there is a serve that is idle that can run more then 1 games at a time that you randomly connect to.

G3ML1NGZ 08-14-2012 11:26 AM

do you think this update will come at midnight or at some point tomorrow?

redturbomiata 08-14-2012 11:37 AM

im down for mt group game

jeff_man 08-14-2012 11:45 AM

Sometime after midnight pst.

blaen99 08-14-2012 02:50 PM

Oh man, this new update looks AMAMAMAMAMAZING.

I'm down for some MT.net new update shennanigans yo!

jeff_man 08-14-2012 03:46 PM

Miata turbo steam group.

Bryce 08-14-2012 04:02 PM

I'm DLing this again..

Splitime 08-14-2012 04:29 PM

In for group update carnage.

jeff_man 08-14-2012 04:35 PM

Hoping the steam community update makes events work better.

triple88a 08-14-2012 04:46 PM

Ugh Steam is such a garbage program... I have the full game downloaded from before i restored windows... and have it all backed up but now steam isnt scanning the back up and its downloading the exact same shit AGAIN even though I added the old files on top of the new ones (everything is in the right spots).

Bryce 08-14-2012 04:48 PM

T minus 5 minutes.

jeff_man 08-14-2012 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 915275)
Ugh Steam is such a garbage program... I have the full game downloaded from before i restored windows... and have it all backed up but now steam isnt scanning the back up and its downloading the exact same shit AGAIN even though I added the old files on top of the new ones (everything is in the right spots).

I have never had a problem other then when they changed the way games are stored and it had to convert some stuff but only downloaded maybe 100mb.

Did you save the whole steamapps folder with .acf files? You can also copy the game dir from common folder to downloading and it should take the files from there.

triple88a 08-14-2012 05:33 PM

Well i have 5 games that i'm trying to get working. I saved the entire common folder.

Before this worked great but now steam has been "reworked" and this no longer works. Left 4 Dead 2 Being one of those games. I have the entire game folder in the correct spot overwriting the other files and it still doesn't give 2 shits of the new full files. It just starts downloading from 0. It doesn't verify anything like it used to.

jeff_man 08-14-2012 05:47 PM

Ya you need to back up the steamapp folder not the common folder. I made back up install image for most of the steam games.

triple88a 08-14-2012 06:24 PM

Before it was the common folder. Now steam changed it around a bit so now its "steamapp" folder. Shit thats downloading is in a "downloading" folder. then it gets moved to downloaded folder.. bunch of garbage.

Bryce 08-14-2012 07:06 PM

Some games go in the common folder, others in the steamapps folder. It helps to drag n drop the right files into the right folders before you tell steam to "go get it".

jeff_man 08-14-2012 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Bryce (Post 915343)
Some games go in the common folder, others in the steamapps folder. It helps to drag n drop the right files into the right folders before you tell steam to "go get it".

No common folder is in steamapps, the act files that make the games work are in the steamapp root.

Bryce 08-14-2012 07:11 PM

It still depends on the game. Arma 2, yes it has files in both common and steamapps, with user setting files in the steam account folder within steamapps.

Hitman 2: No trace of it within the steamapps root. The whole game fits in the common folder.

For a lot of the steam games, yeah. You're right. Most of the content is contained within .gcf files in the steamapps root.

Saml01 08-14-2012 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by jeff_man (Post 915131)
I bet coop will be ran in a p2p format or the person with the faster/stronger connection is auto set to host or a mix of the 2.A server should not be needed as it's a 5 person deal but we will know tomorrow.

Prob the l4d system of there is a serve that is idle that can run more then 1 games at a time that you randomly connect to.

6 person game.

I think what you propose is too complicated and will require a whole new client.

Your l4d scenario is most plausible. Valve will setup a server running multiple instances hosting the CO-OP map. Once a preset number of slots are filled the game will start. Its much simpler to do match making this way than designating someone with the fastest connection to host. It also leaves security in the servers hands and doesnt end the game if the host disconnects.


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Regarding group games. If we can't find an abandoned server for the MT.Net group to play on then I can certainly attempt to host.

shuiend 08-14-2012 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 915110)
I wouldn't mind hosting a game for MT.NET folks to get together for scheduled games. I have fios with 30/30 service. It shouldn't be a thing to open a port in my firewall, install the server on my HTPC machine(E8500, 4gigs Ram) and get it going.

Thoughts?

A 30/30 FIOS connection will run a tf2 server fine. I have never ran a source server on Windows, but I don't believe it should be hard. Shoot me a PM if you are serious about this.

jeff_man 08-14-2012 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 915348)
6 person game.

TF2 mann vs is 5 player.


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 915350)
A 30/30 FIOS connection will run a tf2 server fine. I have never ran a source server on Windows, but I don't believe it should be hard. Shoot me a PM if you are serious about this.

I have 45/45 at work and real server hardware. Have been trying to get a Dayz privet hive server set up. Might branch out to the other games I play.

icantthink4155 08-14-2012 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 915348)
6 person game.


Originally Posted by jeff_man (Post 915361)
TF2 mann vs is 5 player.


Mann vs. Machine is a new co-operative game for Team Fortress 2 that lets you and five friends wage a desperate battle to stop a lethal horde of robots from deploying a bomb in one of Mann Co.’s many strongholds.

Looks like 6 to me.

Bryce 08-14-2012 10:00 PM

5 would be a pretty odd (Pun intended) number.

jeff_man 08-14-2012 10:34 PM

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Saml01 08-14-2012 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 915350)
A 30/30 FIOS connection will run a tf2 server fine. I have never ran a source server on Windows, but I don't believe it should be hard. Shoot me a PM if you are serious about this.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...ers_and_Flags]

Ill set it up tomorrow, test it, and hopefully we could have a game.


edit: started the download now so its less to update tomorrow.

Joe Perez 08-15-2012 01:32 AM

Grrrr. I'm probably still 2-3 weeks away from home and my gaming PC. (Can't complain, as I am at this moment walking along Newport Beach).

Just had no idea the MvM update would be happening so soon after Pyromania.

blaen99 08-15-2012 01:36 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 915482)
Grrrr. I'm probably still 2-3 weeks away from home and my gaming PC. (Can't complain, as I am at this moment walking along Newport Beach).

Just had no idea the MvM update would be happening so soon after Pyromania.

Boo, the MT.net TF2 crew needs ya Joe!

/I'm sad in the pants I missed Pyromania :(

Splitime 08-15-2012 06:59 AM

No release yet that I can tell.

icantthink4155 08-15-2012 08:44 AM

I dont really like any of the classes, which do you guys prefer?

jeff_man 08-15-2012 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by icantthink4155 (Post 915540)
I dont really like any of the classes, which do you guys prefer?

Ya tf2 is very rock paper scissors. I have never liked the feel of the game and really can't explain or put it in to words. It just never felt right.

Saml01 08-15-2012 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by icantthink4155 (Post 915540)
I dont really like any of the classes, which do you guys prefer?

I play with all except spy. I usually switch every 2 or 3 respawns to try different tactics or to harass different players. I also pick classes based on those already playing. IE. If there is a medic, ill play a heavy. If there is a spy, ill play a pyro. Sometimes ill exclusively play medic or engineer the whole time if I am on a team with competent players. A little extra support goes a long way when you have a cohesive team.

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Got the standalone TF2 server and my router setup last night. I need to attempt to connect to it but I see no reason why it shouldn't work. It connects to steam and allows me to change maps.

icantthink4155 08-15-2012 01:04 PM

I usually play demo, but it doesnt work on all maps. Is the Mann vs. Machine an additional dl?

Splitime 08-15-2012 01:19 PM

So when is this darn release, wanted to remote into desktop and get it rolling before I got home :p

jeff_man 08-15-2012 02:00 PM

restart your steam at 12:10 pst. that's when I always do it when i'm waiting for a release.

Joe Perez 08-15-2012 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by icantthink4155 (Post 915540)
I dont really like any of the classes, which do you guys prefer?

Some of the classes are certainly easier than others to start with.

Heavy is a very easy class, as he is just point and shoot. There is some degree of strategy involved, but crafting and quick weapon-switching technique are not crucial. Medics will naturally tend to flock towards you.

Pyro is another simple class, and for the same reasons. He lacks Heavy's range, but his speed makes it easy to rush players and flame them at close range. On maps where snipers tend to camp in specific areas, Pyro is a very important class as he can rush the snipers and take them out easily. On payload maps, he's also crucial to offense, as he can get behind the cart and continuously spray the surrounding area to reveal cloaked / disguised enemy spies which like to sneak up on the cart.

jeff_man 08-15-2012 03:16 PM

I always end up playing medic and just healing.

blaen99 08-15-2012 07:18 PM

Was fun earlier Six.

Too bad one of the teams was going full retard (2/3rds to 3/4ths engies and you know you got issues.)

Joe Perez 08-15-2012 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by blaen99 (Post 915802)
Was fun earlier Six.

Too bad one of the teams was going full retard (2/3rds to 3/4ths engies and you know you got issues.)

Engie-heavy teams can be fun if the folks know what they're doing. Particularly in CTF maps, if you have four Engies doing complete area denial around the intel. You just need to space out the sentries, stay vigilant againt spies, and repair / un-sap one another's buildings.

2 or 3 Engies are also useful on defense against a Payload.

icantthink4155 08-15-2012 07:46 PM

I dont mind when there is alot of engies doing area denial, that makes the levels last longer.

Saml01 08-15-2012 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 915703)
Some of the classes are certainly easier than others to start with.

Heavy is a very easy class, as he is just point and shoot. There is some degree of strategy involved, but crafting and quick weapon-switching technique are not crucial. Medics will naturally tend to flock towards you.

Pyro is another simple class, and for the same reasons. He lacks Heavy's range, but his speed makes it easy to rush players and flame them at close range. On maps where snipers tend to camp in specific areas, Pyro is a very important class as he can rush the snipers and take them out easily. On payload maps, he's also crucial to offense, as he can get behind the cart and continuously spray the surrounding area to reveal cloaked / disguised enemy spies which like to sneak up on the cart.

I wish you would play as something other than pyro or engie.

Heavy seems easy if you play him against a team of noobs. The fact that his gun is innacurate at long range, slow moving speed when firing and not, and high vulnerability due to size make him a very susceptible target. Get one decent sniper, spy, scout or pyro and its game over. You wont get a round off before you die.

blaen99 08-15-2012 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 915806)
Engie-heavy teams can be fun if the folks know what they're doing. Particularly in CTF maps, if you have four Engies doing complete area denial around the intel. You just need to space out the sentries, stay vigilant againt spies, and repair / un-sap one another's buildings.

2 or 3 Engies are also useful on defense against a Payload.

Try 7 or 8 engies, Joe. On a 12 person team.

Saml01 08-15-2012 08:23 PM

My server works.

So when do we want to schedule a game?

Ideally id like to test it with a few people, maybe 4 on 4, see how it responds and then go full bore. Any volunteers?

Splitime 08-15-2012 08:49 PM

I'm online for a bit. Saw it pop up under friends servers, password?

Saml01 08-15-2012 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by Splitime (Post 915839)
I'm online for a bit. Saw it pop up under friends servers, password?

Address: 96.224.232.32:27015
PW: mtnet

Ill leave the PC powered on all night. All talk is on, map time limits are 35 minutes, and the rotation is displayed at the start.

It would be cool if we could get some people on around say 11'ish for a shakedown?

Saml01 08-15-2012 09:25 PM

Nevermind. You wont be able to play tonight and I think for good reasons. My server just gave me a message saying it was out of date even though I updated it literally an hour ago. Attempting to update it gives me a connection error to the update servers. I am assuming they are making the push to mann vs machine and their are no more slots.

icantthink4155 08-15-2012 09:44 PM

I was lagging like mad, so I quit and killed my torrent seeding. Try to open it back up and I have an hour + long update...

Ok now its getting up to speed its about 40 minutes, speeding up now, 9 minutes.


Edit: Sam whats your username on there? Ill request you as a friend.

jeff_man 08-15-2012 09:54 PM

926.7mb update. Steam server are being hammered so downloading around 50kbs and dropping ever 10-15 sec.

Saml01 08-15-2012 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by icantthink4155 (Post 915855)
I was lagging like mad, so I quit and killed my torrent seeding. Try to open it back up and I have an hour + long update...

Ok now its getting up to speed its about 40 minutes, speeding up now, 9 minutes.


Edit: Sam whats your username on there? Ill request you as a friend.

Antagonizer

icantthink4155 08-15-2012 10:01 PM

Sent, update done.


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