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Old 07-31-2014, 10:10 AM   #121
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Shane is a douche-bag made of cheesecloth. Buy from someone who gives a **** about the community and is doing actual research about the correct shape/ placement etc.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:18 AM   #122
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...I had just installed a Rotrex and was (still am) having cooling issues.
Then you need a product with R&D; not something that came out in 6 hrs. and looks "sharp".
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:24 AM   #123
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Then you need a product with R&D; not something that came out in 6 hrs. and looks "sharp".
I am not currently making a purchase from either party but let us be honest here. The R&D has already been done by FM, Hustler, 949, and Trackspeed. It's not ******* rocket science. Make a louver that sits on the hood in a low pressure zone behind the radiator to extract air from underneath the hood. If you don't want to buy from Shane because you think he is a douche, that's fine. If you think ThePass' louvers are going to be significantly more effective with essentially the exact same design and hood placement as he previously laid out in this thread you are just kidding yourself.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:34 AM   #124
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Well I mean, we're not even sure if shane's louvers fit or if he just eyeballed them to show off how big his nuts are.
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Old 07-31-2014, 11:08 AM   #126
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I'll let you know when I install them
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This.

Since Shane didn't mention a patent, I don't think he has one. Also, I don't think this is a copied design, although it is similar. This is why when you bring something to market, just think "Would I care if someone ripped this design off?" If the answer is yes, then get a patent, and don't bring it to market until you do. If it's not patentable, then your not getting ripped off if someone makes something similar.

Shane, if you don't like this, just send your team to develop and produce a louver in a day, sounds easy enough, right?


Haha, I have never had my commands come true so quickly. Goes right along with their motto "You dream it, we build it"

Since I may be on a roll: Emilio, you should send me a free set of Xidas so I can enjoy them.

In all honesty, I don't think I would buy a product that was: 1)Developed just to show some big huevos and send a giant F*** you, 2)Being sold before it was even installed on a car, 3)Actually had less than a day of development time, 4)Put up for sale with only haphazard cell phone pics taken.

I know ThePass will put more thought and testing into them than this, so guess what I will be waiting for. For about $100, guess which product will be better.
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:59 PM   #128
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I am not currently making a purchase from either party but let us be honest here. The R&D has already been done by FM, Hustler, 949, and Trackspeed. It's not ******* rocket science. Make a louver that sits on the hood in a low pressure zone behind the radiator to extract air from underneath the hood. If you don't want to buy from Shane because you think he is a douche, that's fine. If you think ThePass' louvers are going to be significantly more effective with essentially the exact same design and hood placement as he previously laid out in this thread you are just kidding yourself.
I would guess that a vent that is placed with emphasis on it location relative to the rad and low pressure regions would work measurably better than one that was placed with convenience and hood supports in mind.
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Old 07-31-2014, 01:21 PM   #129
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It cracks me up a little.. setting a part intended for an s2000 on a different car, snapping a pic of it roughly in the position others said it should go, and then typing up a blerb on the webpage for the 'new' product does not a 'new developed' product make.

We spent yesterday doing pressure testing of many of the various hood vent solutions out there, and the data has given me some good direction - reinforced some things I had already known, but also shown where to focus efforts and where to trim the fat..

Our nearly stock test car, hooked up with magnehelic gauges, with one of several hoods we tested (my beat up old hood off the time attack car)- zip-tied on in all it's glory since it doesn't have a latch hook on it hahaha



We also tested most of the hood venting options commonly used, except for the really custom one-off stuff.
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Old 07-31-2014, 02:21 PM   #130
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Nice. Ryan please have a set going for the nb. My body/paint guy is waiting on me. It would nice to include these into the batch waiting for paint. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Just buy from who you want.
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Old 07-31-2014, 03:12 PM   #131
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It cracks me up a little.. setting a part intended for an s2000 on a different car, snapping a pic of it roughly in the position others said it should go, and then typing up a blerb on the webpage for the 'new' product does not a 'new developed' product make.
Except when you have 10 years experience making 50 different styles of louvers for cars with major engine bay heat issues....... and you can go from a mid-engine car that you can barely open the rear hatch without burning your fingers.....to the exact same car that you can lay your hand on the hatch and not tell whether the engine has even been running or not, as the hatch is at ambient temp.....even after you've driven the car 30 miles with a 700+hp V8 with long tube headers sitting back there, churning out heat.

Not sure what other sophisticated "testing" is required? Either the louvers work to lower underhood temps, or they don't. Blisters on my fingers vs ambient temp hatch surface. These are not the first louvers I've ever developed from scratch, nor will they be the last. No, those are not S2000 louvers on the hood of that Miata.....those are louvers specifically designed to fit that hood.

You can have all of the fancy sensors and data you want, but the bottom line is that all those pressures and measurements and data points you spent hours or days logging on a virgin hood all go away as soon as you cut a hole in it. As soon as you cut the hole, the surface that created the low pressure area in the first place is no longer there, and therefore, all of the data for that area is useless. I don't worry about what exists for a low pressure area....I focus on what I can create for a low pressure area. When you don't start your project with a false sense of what your imaginary data is telling you, you can focus on actually building something that works to do the job intended.
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Except when you have 10 years experience making 50 different styles of louvers for cars with major engine bay heat issues....... and you can go from a mid-engine car that you can barely open the rear hatch without burning your fingers.....to the exact same car that you can lay your hand on the hatch and not tell whether the engine has even been running or not, as the hatch is at ambient temp.....even after you've driven the car 30 miles with a 700+hp V8 with long tube headers sitting back there, churning out heat.

Not sure what other sophisticated "testing" is required? Either the louvers work to lower underhood temps, or they don't. Blisters on my fingers vs ambient temp hatch surface. These are not the first louvers I've ever developed from scratch, nor will they be the last. No, those are not S2000 louvers on the hood of that Miata.....those are louvers specifically designed to fit that hood.

You can have all of the fancy sensors and data you want, but the bottom line is that all those pressures and measurements and data points you spent hours or days logging on a virgin hood all go away as soon as you cut a hole in it. As soon as you cut the hole, the surface that created the low pressure area in the first place is no longer there, and therefore, all of the data for that area is useless. I don't worry about what exists for a low pressure area....I focus on what I can create for a low pressure area. When you don't start your project with a false sense of what your imaginary data is telling you, you can focus on actually building something that works to do the job intended.
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Old 07-31-2014, 03:45 PM   #133
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Oh my word, go live your life and do what you do and move on. Each individual has the freedom to buy whatever product they want. Despite having my own opinions, I won't stoop to picking apart details of what I don't like about a competitor's product to boost the appeal of my own.

This thread's purpose is to get feedback as I develop my design. I can't do that because if I say "I'm thinking about doing X or Y, what would you guys prefer" the vultures will go and add it to their product.

So, thread has no purpose as of right now. But, I am working on details for the NB version today
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As a data guy, I'll throw my $ at The Pass' NA offering, when it's fully backed and ready.
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Either pay for a vendor spot on this forum or stfu and go away. I think I speak for most when I say I'd prefer the latter, but for the love of god do one or the other.
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^ Hahaha that gave me a good laugh
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Yes please continue. The support is here for you Ryan. Ryan is not twisting anyone's arm so if someone feels the need to vent go start your own thread.. otherwise just keep on moving. I'll be peeking in and out on progress...

Ps... Ryan please make a set for the nb but bottom mount.. please
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There was a funny response to one of the tech posts on here, something like "You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to come in here, make outrageous claims with shaky science and wild conjecture, not provide verifiable information and test data..." and I was going to quote it here, if I could find it, because that's the first thing I thought of. Oh, and

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You can have all of the fancy sensors and data you want, but the bottom line is that all those pressures and measurements and data points you spent hours or days logging on a virgin hood all go away as soon as you cut a hole in it. As soon as you cut the hole, the surface that created the low pressure area in the first place is no longer there, and therefore, all of the data for that area is useless.
Well then I sure am glad he's running test data on his now cut open hood. You know, in the picture he posted two posts above yours.
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That's just one of four hoods we tested
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