Alien life found. turns out it's gay.
03-07-2011, 04:07 AM
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I think it was directed at me or hustler. I said something about a theory that says the orgins of life on earth could have possibly came here via cosmic debris, and hustler said something sarcastic about God testing ppl's faith by showing us space germs. Could be wrong though.
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03-07-2011, 10:22 AM
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Don't take this as a personal attack, Blaize, but you bring up a subject that really bothers me from time to time. I am quite annoyed, frankly, by the assertion (both by those wishing to attack Christianity as well as by some of the more rather feeble-minded individuals who profess to be of the Christian faith) that there is some inherent contradiction between the principle of intelligent design and the idea that life might exist in places other than earth.
Where does this come from? Where, in all of the canonical doctrine of all of Christianity (or all of Judaism, or all of Islam) does it say "Life exists only on earth"?
Sidebar: Alien super-viruses from beyond the moon. We'll all be killed.
In 2012.
Where does this come from? Where, in all of the canonical doctrine of all of Christianity (or all of Judaism, or all of Islam) does it say "Life exists only on earth"?
Sidebar: Alien super-viruses from beyond the moon. We'll all be killed.
In 2012.
But wouldn't it be funny if there was some planet "Crapulon" and they had a bible that said something like "in the beginning there was just some planet Earth far away and then God created their heavens and then a couple months later, he created Crapulon in 3 days. And it was okay."
The used condom bacteria might be Crapulonian, god blessit.
He DID earn the title "Mr Universe", did he not?
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03-07-2011, 11:40 AM
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Douglas Adams, a rather vocal atheist, actually wrote about this phenomenon in one of the Hitchhiker books. I don't have the series in from of me, but I will paraphrase:
Arthur Dent woke up. He shifted his weight slightly in the bed, then swung his feet over the edge, placing first his left foot into a slipper, and then his right. He stepped down, then stood up. Arthur walked to the bathroom and switched on the light. He looked at himself in the mirror, turning slowly first to the left and then to the right. He picked at a bit of lint on the left sleeve of his dressing gown, and then tugged slightly at a thread which had begun to unravel from it. The thread came loose without protest, and he dropped it into the waste bin. It missed, landing instead on the floor.
Arthur picked up his toothbrush, opened the faucet, and wet his toothbrush, then placed a bead of toothpaste on the end of it. He closed the faucet. Arthur brushed his teeth, first moving in slow, circular motions about the front, and then vigorous back-to-front motions, before returning once again to the slower, circular motion. After a minute, he spit into the sink, then turned on the faucet once again, rinsing first his toothbrush and then his face. He turned the faucet off again, and set the toothbrush back into its holder. (And it goes on like this for some time.)
Adams was breaking the fourth wall for a moment to placate the reader that a great many things had happened to Arthur since he had last been mentioned in the story, but that most of them were tedious and inconsequential, and that the reader simply had to accept that it did not generally make for good storytelling to account for every single tedious detail. Arthur picked up his toothbrush, opened the faucet, and wet his toothbrush, then placed a bead of toothpaste on the end of it. He closed the faucet. Arthur brushed his teeth, first moving in slow, circular motions about the front, and then vigorous back-to-front motions, before returning once again to the slower, circular motion. After a minute, he spit into the sink, then turned on the faucet once again, rinsing first his toothbrush and then his face. He turned the faucet off again, and set the toothbrush back into its holder. (And it goes on like this for some time.)
One might plausibly expect that an Egyptian-born peasant, writing in the 13th century BC for an audience who, until that point had never really bothered seriously to consider the matters of what had happened prior to the time in which they found themselves, would choose to make similar affordances in his storytelling.
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03-07-2011, 12:47 PM
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With a nickname like that - I suppose it's my turn...
"It is known that there is an infinite number of worlds, but that not every one is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite nuber of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so if every planet in the Universe has a populations of zero then the entire population of the Universe must also be zero, and any people you may actually meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination. "
"It is known that there is an infinite number of worlds, but that not every one is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite nuber of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so if every planet in the Universe has a populations of zero then the entire population of the Universe must also be zero, and any people you may actually meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination. "
-Douglas Adams
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03-07-2011, 01:53 PM
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I was referencing Total Recall (in case no one got that):
I had a coworker who was talking about his religion (it was so long ago that I cannot remember the topic) and I asked him a question. He told me "you aren't supposed to ask questions". Sorry, but I cancel my membership in clubs which do not allow questions.
I had a coworker who was talking about his religion (it was so long ago that I cannot remember the topic) and I asked him a question. He told me "you aren't supposed to ask questions". Sorry, but I cancel my membership in clubs which do not allow questions.
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03-07-2011, 02:10 PM
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... and that's where I start to have a problem, not with the concept of Christianity as a whole, but with the simple-minded notion of it that people like your co-worker seem to hold. We (the human race) are supposed to ask questions. Assuming that one is of the belief that mankind was deliberately created by a higher power, and that he (mankind) was granted dominion over the earth and all the creatures on it, then isn't it rather counterintuitive to dismiss as taboo the one characteristic (sentient thought) which most dramatically separates us from those creatures?
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03-07-2011, 02:10 PM
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On the subject of god, and hitchikers guide, I provide this excerpt:
"The Babel fish," said The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy quietly, "is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy not from its carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
"The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
"`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
"`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
"`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
"Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book Well That About Wraps It Up For God.
"Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."
There you have it. Indisputable proof that god doesn't exist lol.
"The Babel fish," said The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy quietly, "is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy not from its carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
"The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
"`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
"`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
"`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
"Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book Well That About Wraps It Up For God.
"Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."
There you have it. Indisputable proof that god doesn't exist lol.
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03-07-2011, 03:09 PM
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anti-God/faith/religion has always ran very deep within this forum.
I always just shake my head and click back. I wish I had all of the answers people search. But, it seems non believers have so many strong and deep questions that need answering. There is no way I could defend my faith against some of them. So, I will keep on believing and enjoying my life while the haters keep hating.
Regarding life on other planets, I haven’t read anything against it in my Apologetics Bible (current Bible for me).
I can tell you we will all know one day if there is a Maker or not. I don’t think I am going to have an ill effect on the earth living my life as a believer. Don’t get me wrong, I cuss a little, drink a little, have a good time when able, and absolutely love living my life to the fullest. But, I know in my heart there is a place to go when this is all over.
There you go...
I always just shake my head and click back. I wish I had all of the answers people search. But, it seems non believers have so many strong and deep questions that need answering. There is no way I could defend my faith against some of them. So, I will keep on believing and enjoying my life while the haters keep hating.
Regarding life on other planets, I haven’t read anything against it in my Apologetics Bible (current Bible for me).
I can tell you we will all know one day if there is a Maker or not. I don’t think I am going to have an ill effect on the earth living my life as a believer. Don’t get me wrong, I cuss a little, drink a little, have a good time when able, and absolutely love living my life to the fullest. But, I know in my heart there is a place to go when this is all over.
There you go...
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03-07-2011, 03:25 PM
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On the subject of god, and hitchikers guide, I provide this excerpt:
"The Babel fish," said The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy quietly, "is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy not from its carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
"The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
"`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
"`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
"`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
"Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book Well That About Wraps It Up For God.
"Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."
There you have it. Indisputable proof that god doesn't exist lol.
"The Babel fish," said The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy quietly, "is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy not from its carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
"The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
"`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
"`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
"`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
"Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book Well That About Wraps It Up For God.
"Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."
There you have it. Indisputable proof that god doesn't exist lol.
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03-07-2011, 05:26 PM
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03-07-2011, 05:48 PM
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Am I the only one who didn't interpret anything that localtech wrote as being in any way directed specifically at Rob?
(For an internet-based discussion of religion, this was going shocking well, actually.)
On the whole, I have not noticed a significant deviation in the distribution of these traits in correlation to showing up for an hour a week to get preached at.
Doesn't really affect how I feel about the underlying concept of God, though. Judge a band by its groupies much?
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03-07-2011, 05:53 PM
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I just took a university astronomy course and learned a bunch of amazing stuff. Mostly the fact that life thrives in very hostile environments, and it appears quite quickly. The shear size of just our universe alone makes it near impossible for there not to be life. But on the topic of mars, it's pretty crazy but it used to be a very earth similar planet. With oceans, rivers, etc. Still a ton of ice on the planet underneath the dirt.
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03-07-2011, 06:22 PM
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That sounds awfully the same as "Straight people are good and homosexual people are bad people".
I'm not pointing YOU out as a person, i'm pointing out the language you're using.
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03-07-2011, 06:36 PM
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BTW, I see you are in SC. You are welcome to drop by for a beer/cigar any time you get around Moncks Corner.
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