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Old 03-15-2011, 04:13 PM   #181
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(2) If we reject the notion that government has the proper authority to encourage or discourage marriage, then we ought to tell the state to leave our personal relationships alone.
Another bingo.

If a couple want to wed in the church of fatter day saints, or the church of the poison mind, or the church of the almighty dollar, and want to enter into a marriage contract, then gov't should rightfully enforce that contract if one spouse decides later on to take the other one to court over said contract. Also, family law is there to protect the children in case of abuse etc. etc.

So outside of enforcement of contracts and children, the gov't should not treat singles and marrieds any differently; taxes or otherwise.
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Old 03-15-2011, 04:17 PM   #182
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should I have said "inalienable human rights"? Turbos are important but I dont think they should be protected for all of humanity.
It's not turbos that need protection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_A...s_Constitution

Some call it the "right to be left alone".

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Old 03-15-2011, 04:37 PM   #183
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Or, just call marriage "civil union" instead, and make it avalable to everyone. That way everybody can get the tax n' legal stuff they want and since it's not called marrage, theres no religious reason to keep the gays out. Everybody wins.
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Except that we've now lost the entire legal justification of government encouraging contractual cohabitation, and are just rewarding people regardless of whether it benefits society as a group.

I still lean toward #2. It's not the government's business to decide which relationships ought to be encouraged and discouraged, only to ensure those relationships do not infringe upon the natural rights of man.
True, I agree with you to an extent. I don't think many people get married for a tax break. It sure as hell wouldn't be worth it. It is far cheaper to stay single, any man can tell you. Hell, I don't even know how it effected my taxes. My wife and I both started making more money when we got married, so we went up a tax bracket. I see how it could help, and if it actually does, then why not if it helps the country. Besides, overall, it makes most normal, non dirtbag human beings more responsible. It seems like dumping the lazy person support system we have would contribute far more to the economy... Or atleast drug test those recieving hand outs. Spending tax money on illegal drugs should be... uhhh.... illegal.
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It's not turbos that need protection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_A...s_Constitution
That works both ways.
9th ammendment:
"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Enumeration: Enumerate vb 1 : to determine the number of : count 2 : list
Construed: 1. Interpret (a word or action) in a particular way.
Disparage: 1. Regard or represent as being of little worth.

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Determining the numer of constitutional rights shell not be interpreted in a way as to deny or belittle other rights helled by the people.

So, one can not attempt to keep the gays from getting hitched by saying it's unconstitutional, because that would deny and belittle the gays right to equal rights through marriage.

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Old 03-15-2011, 07:45 PM   #185
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Thread name win. Buttsects.!!!!!
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how in the **** **** hell did this thread go from fossil bacteria, to religion, now gay marriage?!


love the new title.
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how in the **** **** hell did this thread go from fossil bacteria, to religion, now gay marriage?!
They all do if they stay active long enough
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how in the **** **** hell did this thread go from fossil bacteria, to religion, now gay marriage?!


love the new title.
Alien bacteria --> "Ohh nooes, that bacteria is from another planet... That conflicts with my long healed religious belief of the intelligent design of life as we know it on earth and of the universe.. AAHHHH"
Then, people yell at one another about their belifes about religion or a lack thereof, somebody muses about there "man-crush" on Mike Huckabee or how ET was the first openly gay alien in a mainstream Hollywood film and then we're here.
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Ya know Hitler was gay. True story.
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Ya know Hitler was gay. True story.
and that's a wrap.
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Alien bacteria --> "Ohh nooes, that bacteria is from another planet... That conflicts with my long healed religious belief of the intelligent design of life as we know it on earth and of the universe.. AAHHHH"
Then, people yell at one another about their belifes about religion or a lack thereof, somebody muses about there "man-crush" on Mike Huckabee or how ET was the first openly gay alien in a mainstream Hollywood film and then we're here.
ET was gay????
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and that's a wrap.
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T'was me, though even I dont know how I managed it. I was going to try for socialism next, but the cats out of the bag now....
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