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Does email tuning=dyno tuning or is it like a sub-par form that's just more convenient?
I guess if you're doing it, you must believe in its accuracy.
Okay, thanks for sharing that is an option, had no idea.
Basically.
He sends you a tune.
You go run around with various engine loadings and RPM, etc while logging.
You send log back.
He adjusts tune as necessary and sends it back to you.
This process continues until you're both with happy with how the logs look. Nowadays it usually only takes a 1-2 revisions.
I still use the canned tune on my BRZ because all the logging I've done looks good. I could probably recalibrate the MAF to get a tiny bit more, but I don't care. It's a good safe tune that made a noticeable difference that isn't going to ping the motor to death if I get a bad tank of gas.
And taking the BRZ in tomorrow to have them change the engine oil (I live in an apt without tools so gimme a break) and look at the 2nd gear crunchy synchro. There is a TSB on these so I'm hoping I'll get a new transmission.
I continue to be disappointed in the build quality of this car vs the cost. There is a 99.999999% change I will NEVER own another Subaru again.
And taking the BRZ in tomorrow to have them change the engine oil (I live in an apt without tools so gimme a break) and look at the 2nd gear crunchy synchro. There is a TSB on these so I'm hoping I'll get a new transmission.
I continue to be disappointed in the build quality of this car vs the cost. There is a 99.999999% change I will NEVER own another Subaru again.
Might just be me, but I don't really consider the BRZ a subaru...
That said SOA has been getting reallll picky about warranty stuff because too many people modified their wrx's and blew things up. They will often not do anything for a car that has been messed with. I think certain dealerships might make exceptions depending on the kind of work that was done, but...
Vlad said in another thread that he was going to get a legacy. Honestly, if you want build quality in a subaru, those are what you get. Or the premium trim of the XT or what have you. The legacy's are really nice. Everyone forgets that the impreza is basically an econobox. Hard to compete with the price point of some of the kias etc these days. I was also shocked that the newer Kias actually didn't look like total crap. They've been reviewed pretty decently too and it came with the stipulation that the review was good for the car/price not just good... for a kia.
We already have a legacy. 2016
It's decent, but not much better than the wrx/sti in terms of build quality. Subaru's in general were never well built cars. They were always "just good enough", and making up for econobox build quality with fun-ness, practicality, mod-ability.
You want well built? get a lexus, or premium Toyota (basically almost the same thing). Not much else is gonna deliver what you're looking for.
Many cars appear to deliver, on paper or from reviews, but once you actually own/live with them for a good bit, you start to see the corners cut, and money saved. If it were not so, then Subaru wouldn't be growing in sales every year.
We already have a legacy. 2016
It's decent, but not much better than the wrx/sti in terms of build quality. Subaru's in general were never well built cars. They were always "just good enough", and making up for econobox build quality with fun-ness, practicality, mod-ability.
You want well built? get a lexus, or premium Toyota (basically almost the same thing). Not much else is gonna deliver what you're looking for.
Many cars appear to deliver, on paper or from reviews, but once you actually own/live with them for a good bit, you start to see the corners cut, and money saved. If it were not so, then Subaru wouldn't be growing in sales every year.
Are you saying that you see the corners cut with longer term ownership and then decide if those were livable or poor decisions? I'm happy that subaru sales are growing. I love mine, but I'm not sure I'd buy an older one again.
Mine just hit 150k and honestly has been pretty reasonable so far. I think in total I've got about 7k in the car with cost of purchase and all repairs and maintenance items: wheel bearings, exhaust work, head gasket and some minor engine work. GF is borrowing it right now after her car got totaled. She called me frantically the other day saying that the car wasn't running and it had started smoking when she was pulling off an exit. She was freaking out. I had it towed to her dad's mechanic. Hoping it just needs a radiator hose or a rad.
Chris/96moreboost was helping us find her a car. He and a mutual friend found an 09 impreza with a blown engine that would have been about 5-6k all said and done with an 86k mile engine transplanted in. Car had like 130k miles on it. GF said it's too many miles so I told the guys to stop trying to help since this was going to be like pulling teeth. I'm sitting here hoping that I won't regret that decision if the news on my car isn't great. It's an 02 impreza and honestly the size and power are perfect for a students daily.
I guess I could always daily the miata, but that would be interesting in the winter... I could always get a paco lift kit and snow tires! Anyway...
Might just be me, but I don't really consider the BRZ a subaru...
That said SOA has been getting reallll picky about warranty stuff because too many people modified their wrx's and blew things up. They will often not do anything for a car that has been messed with. I think certain dealerships might make exceptions depending on the kind of work that was done, but...
Vlad said in another thread that he was going to get a legacy. Honestly, if you want build quality in a subaru, those are what you get. Or the premium trim of the XT or what have you. The legacy's are really nice. Everyone forgets that the impreza is basically an econobox. Hard to compete with the price point of some of the kias etc these days. I was also shocked that the newer Kias actually didn't look like total crap. They've been reviewed pretty decently too and it came with the stipulation that the review was good for the car/price not just good... for a kia.
Fine, call it a Toyota. Point is the car retails for nearly $30k and is nowhere close to approaching the build quality for that price.
Although I will say I like the Outback they gave me as a loaner today, the girlfriend likes them, and so far the way the dealership treated me when I arrived, I would consider having her get one. That way she can have the "utility" vehicle for dogs/camping, and I can still have a fun vehicle.
it's dirty, and needs maintenance, and paint has 5 billion rock chips
but it's one owner, clean title, 74k miles, and most importantly: white and hatch
the hilarious part about it, is that I have a Blouch Dominator 1.5XTR turbo already in the garage for it
Turbo arrived this morning. Car arrived just now #priorities
They are waiting for Subaru of America to decide if they are going to warranty the transmission because it has been tuned before.
It's such a load of crap. It's a well known issue with the synchros in the car, not the 10hp from a tune breaks it. Edelbrock offers a powertrain warranty with their SUPERCHARGER installed. Ugh.
Why didn't you remove the tune prior to bringing it in?
BTW it's not just Subaru that's like that anymore. Even Ford does exactly the same thing nowadays, there's talk all over the forums about it. Gone are the days of ANY manuf being relaxed with modifications.
OEM's are wising up to the industry, and to the loopholes, and "playing the game" themselves as well. It usually has nothing to do with the mods themselves and whether they actually contributed to the failure, and everything to do with them getting an easy way out of financial responsibility. If there was a loophole that could save them 2-4 THOUSAND dollars without even lifting a finger, don't you think they'd pursue it?
Originally Posted by Lexzar
Okay now I need a STI hatch and a napkin
Thanks.
It's nowhere near as clean as that picture. It needs lots of love. And a new front bumper, since the original is trashed. Perfect opportunity to upgrade to the 11+ bumper.
Ugh. I love those STI hatch's. Nice find Vlad! Should be baller!
I really wanted a WRX, but everything in my price range was royally fucked with. Somehow I ended up with a turbo miata instead...
Re: warranty.
I think I was talking to stefanst about this, but engineering has gotten to the point where manufacturers can design something that will work for the expected life of the car. Any mods throw that calculation off which is why they're dicks about it. Then sometimes they miscalculate like mazda. I think they should be embarrassed that the NA/NB can handle more power than the ND trans can. Sure it's a bit lighter, but whatever.
I've said this before, but they should come up with manufacturer approved tunes and charge an 'upgraded' warranty fee or whatever to cover their ***. Otherwise folks interested in modding cars etc will just keep buying older cars.
Even the new wrx trans is glass, no? Blows up at like 50 hp more than stock?
Why didn't you remove the tune prior to bringing it in?
BTW it's not just Subaru that's like that anymore. Even Ford does exactly the same thing nowadays, there's talk all over the forums about it. Gone are the days of ANY manuf being relaxed with modifications.
OEM's are wising up to the industry, and to the loopholes, and "playing the game" themselves as well. It usually has nothing to do with the mods themselves and whether they actually contributed to the failure, and everything to do with them getting an easy way out of financial responsibility. If there was a loophole that could save them 2-4 THOUSAND dollars without even lifting a finger, don't you think they'd pursue it?
I did.
I think I'm going to change the fluid, add the transmission mount stiffener and see how much that helps. It's really not that bad and doesn't crunch every shift.
I really wanted to wait until next year to do something car wise, but this may speed it up. I wanted to wait since things are in flux right now. We are getting ready to try to sell the girlfriends house so she can move, we may buy a house here, may keep renting, going to try to make a tiny person, etc.
Half the local Subaru dealership's service advisors/tech's are my buddies, I've tuned their cars, and we talk about this all the time. If the car has any mods on it, they will just default to the generic response of "your car has been tuned".
They won't even bother checking the flash counter or even comparing maps 99.99% of the time, because they don't even need to. it's really sad how many people they scare into admitting their car was tuned.
Wanna check my claims?
Ask them for proof. Actual proof. Have them show you how they determined the ecu was tuned. Not tell you. Not show you a paper. But actually connect to the car's ecu, and show you on their scan tool vs what their scan tool shows when scanning an un-molested car they have in their showroom.
that's also an option. I've actually been doing a lot more Miata e-tuning lately.
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