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Old 10-02-2009, 01:11 AM   #41
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Civic, Accord, Prelude. I owned two of the three.
Prelude in 80?

I remember when I was in collage going into the dealership in 85 when the first CRX's came ashore. You could have whatever you wanted...in blue or white. That's it.
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Old 10-02-2009, 01:39 AM   #42
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May I ask why not? From what I understand, build quality of a new Malibu is on par with that of an Accord or Camry*. I won't say anything about the 3-series, as I'm not exactly sure why that comparison got brought up in the first place earlier in the thread- comparing things that are (at least are supposed to be) economy-type sedans with a more upscale sports sedan is kind of apples and oranges.

So, Malibu/Accord/Camry- build quality, options, features, whatever- all kind of on par with each other, at least in my eyes. I won't say that I've driven them, because I really have no desire to even look at these cars (I don't buy $20,000 economy cars, it defeats the whole purpose of "economy." I buy $2000 or less "economy" cars.) but comparing specs, features, etc., they look pretty equal.

So, what's your reasoning?



*Well, that's what the literature says. I take it with a healthy dose of salt, as I think Consumer Reports (known liars), JD Power, et. al. simply produce printed toilet paper and kindling, not anything worth reading. Alas, I don't really have anything else to go off of, and the rest of the world seems to blindly follow these magazines, so...
Dont get me wrong toyota and honda arent near as good as they used to be either. But in all of what i have seen in vehicels etc GM builds there **** to breack down and be taken back to them to be serviced or traded in on a newer vehicle every 3-4 yrs. I havent been intimate with the stuff they have come out with in this decade becouse quite frankly its to expensive and quality of the **** they put out in the 90's was horrible. Underpowered over wieght and gimicky. Hell i wouldn't even buy a camry younger than a 97, becouse they GM'ed it up and got big fat and lazy. I would be tempted to buy a 2003 or later accord if i could afford one but still the price range has exclueded me from testing them with a good conscience. I just cant in good faith buy a car from a company that made the ****** trans am that i bought thinking i would like but has turned out to be a cluster **** at everyturn. Any company that would build such a car deserves to eat **** and die a slow painfull death plunging the entire norther portion of america into a fiery hellstorm of nuclear winter. If they where the company that made my 67 chevy then i would understand saving them but they are not. So good bye and good ridance, after that i would put honda, mazda, and toyota on notice as well make what we want or GTFO. ****** SUV's and 4000 lbs cars are ******* retarded for 95% of the population to use. And big ole trucks with 10 ton capacitys that go to lowes and get a few sheets of plywood or a laove of bread from kroger are ridiculous as well. But atleast they dont go screaming down the interstate into your blindspot at 100mph while talking on a cell phone and smacking the kids in the back seat, who are adjusting the dvd players.
I geuse moslty what I hate is all the non driving ************* of the world and all the **** they love. You know who i am talking about the people that stop right at the end of an on or off ramp becouse no one moved over for them to merge etc. Its called space your **** and plan leave room etc good god people. Or the people who rush in to get in front of you when a breack in trafic occurs and you are like 5 cars back from the lead. And then when you pull in behind them they proceed to camp in the ******* right lane. If your motherfuckin *** wants to pass then ****** pass and get the **** out of the way of the people piling up behind you god dammit. The GM of today fosters that mind set as does the for of today to a lesser extent but it is still there. I had better end this post before you get me started in health care.
************* expect me to pay ****** 13% for health care when i refuse to pay 3% right now **** that ****. Just let me ****** die if its that important for the government to care for me i geus i had better start packing and move somewhere else.
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Old 10-02-2009, 01:57 AM   #43
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I for one happen to enjoy the LS series motors. Hope they keep on coming...
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I for one happen to enjoy the LS series motors. Hope they keep on coming...
yeah sure great motors in shitty cars is a win. Everyone wants a SBC becouse it makes the hp until they have to work on some of the modern day cars with SBC's and then they discover why people commit genocide, and kill all the puppys and kittens in a tristate area. A SBC is great in something you dont have to work on at all cuase you pay others to do it, an old car, or any non GM car period.
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Old 10-02-2009, 02:37 AM   #45
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I only read the 1st page of this thread...and I was a bit jacked. **** all you ********* who say "GM shoulda went down a while ago." Listen PUNKS, before I was a Miataturbo.net member, I was a Thirdgen.org (Thirdgen Fbody "camaro and firebird" site member). I love Camaro's and actually I love the firebird more. I sold my Trans Am and my garage bay full of parts so I could buy a car that was lighter, more efficient, and also more agile. Don't you forget though...What car company has the LS series of engines that all you V-8 swappers want so badly? Oh yeah, GM. Out of the big three's latest muscle productions, what is the fastest? The Mustang? NO. The Challenger? NO. That's right, the CAMARO. I love my miata, but **** you jerk off's who give insults towards a company who builds performance in the country YOU live in. My fiance has a Saturn SL-2 4 door. I hate that car, but it's also the first car I have ever seen with a spin on transmission filter. I actually like the Saturn SKY, and the Pontiac Solstice. I think they compare in size and performance to the NC Miata. So if the Saturn goes out, I guess pontiac is next.
The big three all make similar stuff to compete. The mustang comes in 6 cylinder or bitched out 8 cyl version. As does the Challenger, and the camaro. They all make stuff I hate, like the cobalt SS, and the SRT4 line of Caliber's (formerly Neon's), and whatever wrong wheel drive other stuff their is.
All I can say is, just cause we drive cars that might beat a 4th gen LS-1 camaro easily in the quarter mile...remember, the reason for that is cause we have little assed matchbox cars that weigh 2/3 or less of our opponents. Don't forget what it takes to get us there, cause we all know our little **** boxes can hardy touch a high 15 second quarter mile in stock form.
Good thing I'm drinking....some jerked off piece of **** stole my $3 right outta my lunch box that I was gonna use to buy an Apple Danish and a milk at my 2nd lunch break tonight at work. Then I get home to this.
At least "Rock of Love" isn't on...I had to watch the VH-1 behind the music of Bret Michael's instead.
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Old 10-02-2009, 02:59 AM   #46
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Well lets admit it, even if I had a V8 camaro I would have to kill myself wouldn't I? Who wants to say that they own a chevy exhaust note
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Do you have a personal stake in GM? You seem genuinely hurt and insulted that someone said something bad about X car company. Who gives a ****.
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I'm not saying an LSx isn't a nice engine. I'm saying that when you are driving down the road in a $35,000 370HP sports car and it starts raining you should not have to worry about water dripping on your head. Why can't GM build a Corvette that doesn't leak. Why do you have to carry a screwdriver around with you because the screws in your dash like to back out and fall on the floor. Who designed that ****?

FWIW, I'll be calling a guy today about buying Geo Metro #4 <G>...
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Old 10-02-2009, 09:19 AM   #49
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I geuse moslty what I hate is all the non driving ************* of the world and all the **** they love.
I completely agree with you. I wish all of those people were off the road permanently. Alas, they make up the majority of the driving population, and I can't really fault GM (or any other company) for catering to them.

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The GM of today fosters that mind set as does the for of today to a lesser extent but it is still there.
I personally don't think that GM fosters that mindset any more than any other manufacturer today- like you said, pretty much every carmaker's offerings are more bloated, with a driving experience ever more numb and dumb, with engineers focused on how many gadgets and how many airbags and how many climate control zones they can pack into a car rather than actually improving the driving experience. What particularly amuses me is that my old SL2 gets 40mpg- something that most cars today STILL can't do- 15 years later. Further proof that I really don't need to be buying a new car.
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Civic, Accord, Prelude. I owned two of the three.
We own a prelude, we plan to replace it with a 2dr v6 5-sp Acorrd when the time comes. You know what we didn't consider...A Saturn (or any GM or Ford for that matter).
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my previous occupation was saturn dealership technician. in my experience, their cars were generally pretty dependable and very simple to work on. while not a powerhouse by any means, the drivetrains were damn near bulletproof. UNLIKE many other GM brands, they kept the cars basic.....and it worked. so i am pro-saturn...though i have never owned one.

i feel that one of GMs biggest problems was the lack of brand identity. i mean seriously, what is the difference between a chevy and gmc pick-up? why would one buy a G5 over a Cobalt?

i think they need to separate the brands based mainly on price (like toyota/lexus). saturn should stay as an economical line, chevy as the mid-priced choice, and cadillac as the luxury brand.
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saturn should stay as an economical line, chevy as the mid-priced choice, and cadillac as the luxury brand.
Well thats is how it should work, but each of GM's companies cuts into the others' sales area.
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There is one common theme among everyone praising saturn. It's the first and second generation cars being praised. The cars made when Saturn was being Saturn. You don't find that dedication and adoration from the owners of the post 2000 cars. The Vue, L series, Ion and Outlook were miserable failures. The only good car they've had recently was the Astra which was a rebadged Opel built in Belgium.

As was stated early in this thread, if saturn had stayed true to the original concept they'd still be thriving. Unfotunately the brand became just another GM subsidiary and was different in name only.

Hopefully someone will come out of the woodwork and revive the early concept and philosophy of Saturn. Affordable, reliable, durable and economical US made cars.
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my previous occupation was saturn dealership technician. in my experience, their cars were generally pretty dependable and very simple to work on. while not a powerhouse by any means, the drivetrains were damn near bulletproof. UNLIKE many other GM brands, they kept the cars basic.....and it worked. so i am pro-saturn...though i have never owned one.

i feel that one of GMs biggest problems was the lack of brand identity. i mean seriously, what is the difference between a chevy and gmc pick-up? why would one buy a G5 over a Cobalt?

i think they need to separate the brands based mainly on price (like toyota/lexus). saturn should stay as an economical line, chevy as the mid-priced choice, and cadillac as the luxury brand.
When we bought our Tacoma pickup we didn't pick it over a GM because all the GMs looked the same. We picked it because consumer reports said the Toyota was great and the GM trucks were **** (based on customer polling). I wanted a truck that didn't break down the first month I had it. When looking at trucks there were only two that really stood out in the ratings and both were Japanese. All the American trucks had crappy ratings.
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Sadly Saturn died when the decided to stop using plastic and swapped away from there own motor/drivetrain.

I <3 my dent resistant panels and lack of rust.
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When we bought our Tacoma pickup we didn't pick it over a GM because all the GMs looked the same. We picked it because consumer reports said the Toyota was great and the GM trucks were **** (based on customer polling). I wanted a truck that didn't break down the first month I had it. When looking at trucks there were only two that really stood out in the ratings and both were Japanese. All the American trucks had crappy ratings.
I wasn't commenting on truck quality. frankly, i don't care at all about trucks...don't plan on ever buying one in my lifetime. i was just making a point that all of their brands (except for maybe cadillac and hummer) have completely lost their identity due to the excessive cross-platforming.
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