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Old 11-09-2009, 02:17 PM   #61
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Table 1. Selected Government Cost Overruns					

Estimated Cost and Date of Estimate					
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Transportation					
Boston "Big Dig"			2.6b (1985)	14.6b (2002)		
Denver International Airport		1.7b (1989)	4.8b (1995)		
Virginia "Mixing Bowl"			241m (1994)	676m (2003)		
Seattle light rail system		1.7b (1996)	2.6b (2000)		
Kennedy Center parking lot		28m (1998)	88m (2003)		

Energy					
Yucca mountain radioactive waste	6.3b (1992)	8.4b (2001)		
Hanford nuclear fuels site		715m (1995)	1.6b (2001)		
Idaho Falls nuclear fuels site		124m (1998)	273m (2001)		
National ignition laser facility	2.1b (1995)	3.3b (2001)
Weldon Springs remedial action		358m (1989)	905m (2001)

Defense (per unit)			
F/A-22 Raptor fighter			89m (1992)	248m (2002)
V-22 Osprey aircraft			23m (1987)	90m (2001)
RAH-66 Comanche helicopter		31m (2000)	52m (2002)
CH-47F cargo helicopter			8m (1998)	18m (2002)
SBIRS satellite system			732m (1998)	1.6b (2002)
Patriot advanced missile		4m (1995)	10m (2002)
EX-171 guided munition			39,000 (1997)	147,000 (2002)

Medicaid			
Special hospital subsidy		100m (1987)	11b (1992)

Medicare			
Part A (HI), cost in 1990		9b (1965)	67b (1990)
Home care benefits, cost in 1993	4b (1988)	10b (1993)

Other			
1996 farm law (over seven years)	47b (1996)	118b (2002)
International Space Station		17b (1995)	30b (2002)
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They really are turning this country into a piece of ****. I think I'm going to get a divorce, have more kids, quit my job, have a slip and fall, and retire.
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They really are turning this country into a piece of ****. I think I'm going to get a divorce, have more kids, quit my job, have a slip and fall, and retire.
Hell...I ask my boss every day just to lay me off...or atleast when he tells me to put school first and ask him if I need him to help.

I mean really...every student's dream is a year and a half with a paycheck without really showing up to work.
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In France you cannot get laid off...
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I was admitted into the er yesterday monring. Got in got out paid my money.

2 months later I'm still waiting to get a sticker from the government which I paid for already.
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:44 PM   #66
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I'm not allowed to be a non-religious, pro-choice, gun toting, constitutional-conservative?
Me too!?
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Hell...I ask my boss every day just to lay me off...or atleast when he tells me to put school first and ask him if I need him to help.

I mean really...every student's dream is a year and a half with a paycheck without really showing up to work.

I'm rich biotchhhhhh.....
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I'm rich biotchhhhhh.....
that's not fair. i'm entitled. Social Justice Superhero Obama where are you?!
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:05 PM   #69
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It's simple...it's common sense people...we simply CAN'T get more than we work for.

Now that 51% of our nation does not pay taxes...the scales have tipped too far.

I'm waiting on the revolution. It won't be pretty. It will be necessary.
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They really are turning this country into a piece of ****. I think I'm going to get a divorce, have more kids, quit my job, have a slip and fall, and retire.
I like this idea...
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We are supposed to be able to throw a president or administration out of power if they are abusing that power, but even with that right, the government will try to put down any revolt to remove them from power with force. I don't care much about bitching about politics, since I think politics these days are so watered down and meaningless. Most of the time I don't waste my breath on it, but when the day comes that my country needs me to stand and fight I will be ready and willing to arm myself and fight. I hope it doesn't come to that, but the government has made it pretty clear lately that they don't want to hear what anyone has to say. They can't be reasoned with, the only thing they are going to listen to is force. In my opinion its inevitable that a violent revolution will take place.
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It's simple...it's common sense people...we simply CAN'T get more than we work for.

Now that 51% of our nation does not pay taxes...the scales have tipped too far.

I'm waiting on the revolution. It won't be pretty. It will be necessary.
It's time for a across the board flat tax.
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yes, at <=10% federal and <=2% state. Or we can repeal the 16th amendment.
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Table 1. Selected Government Cost Overruns					

Estimated Cost and Date of Estimate					
					Original	 Latest or Actual
Transportation					
Boston "Big Dig"			2.6b (1985)	14.6b (2002)		
Denver International Airport		1.7b (1989)	4.8b (1995)		
Virginia "Mixing Bowl"			241m (1994)	676m (2003)		
Seattle light rail system		1.7b (1996)	2.6b (2000)		
Kennedy Center parking lot		28m (1998)	88m (2003)		

Energy					
Yucca mountain radioactive waste	6.3b (1992)	8.4b (2001)		
Hanford nuclear fuels site		715m (1995)	1.6b (2001)		
Idaho Falls nuclear fuels site		124m (1998)	273m (2001)		
National ignition laser facility	2.1b (1995)	3.3b (2001)
Weldon Springs remedial action		358m (1989)	905m (2001)

Defense (per unit)			
F/A-22 Raptor fighter			89m (1992)	248m (2002)
V-22 Osprey aircraft			23m (1987)	90m (2001)
RAH-66 Comanche helicopter		31m (2000)	52m (2002)
CH-47F cargo helicopter			8m (1998)	18m (2002)
SBIRS satellite system			732m (1998)	1.6b (2002)
Patriot advanced missile		4m (1995)	10m (2002)
EX-171 guided munition			39,000 (1997)	147,000 (2002)

Medicaid			
Special hospital subsidy		100m (1987)	11b (1992)

Medicare			
Part A (HI), cost in 1990		9b (1965)	67b (1990)
Home care benefits, cost in 1993	4b (1988)	10b (1993)

Other			
1996 farm law (over seven years)	47b (1996)	118b (2002)
International Space Station		17b (1995)	30b (2002)
Speaking from experience here...the cost overruns and general fleecing of America comes at the state and local level in my business, not the federal level.
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It's simple...it's common sense people...we simply CAN'T get more than we work for.

Now that 51% of our nation does not pay taxes...the scales have tipped too far.

I'm waiting on the revolution. It won't be pretty. It will be necessary.
agreed
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The Restoration Revolution!
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No I haven't and no one has. And how is it that you are covering my bill? I will be paying off my ER trip for the next few years. Maybe I am ignorant to how that works...
I read it. The original house bill anyway. I got tired of hearing about death panels and killing grandma and all the other **** that made no sense at all. So I read the damn thing for myself. That big stack they show you on the right wing media outlets is bullshit also. If you print the bill one sided, in the font and margings from PDF version, it is a pretty big stack of paper. If you print it in normal font, like 12 pitch like everything else, print both sides of the paper, like everthing else, and with on inch margins, like most everything else you read, its a fraction of what they show you. That is for visiual affect to exaggerate things to support their aurgument. There are a few things I didn't like about the bill, but nothing earth sahttering. There is no death panel, there is no kill grandma, there is no "you can't keep what you have, etc. As far as me paying your bill, if you go out and have a car wreck or some major issue, you can not pay the bill without insurance unless you are independently wealthy. Let me die is a crock of **** and you know it. If you were to get a severe compound fracture and a bone was sticking ou of you leg, you would not say, "I don't have insurance so leave my leg fucked up". But, I garantee you such and injury would ring up hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills, money you don't have, but you will get treated...that eventually gets spread out amongts tax payers when the hospital writes off some, medi what ever pays some, and my premiums go up so the hospital can make up the difference.
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So let me get this straight...I'm serving in the US Army, I contribute 15% of every check to my TSP (thrift savings plan) it's kinda like a 401K. In addition to this I also have a high-ish yield savings account I put money in every month to save. I'm 21 years old. By the time I'm ready to retire I will have a nice chunk of change waiting for me. If I start paying extraa for the same health care I'm already getting then guess what's going to suffer, my savings.

Laquisha on the other hand...is 35 "supporting" 6 kids on welfare and has never held a job, and obviously isn't saving jack ****. undoubtedly she deserves the same quality of life when we're "old" as myself correct?

This is my problem with the nation going "socialist", Socialism IN THEORY is the perfect form of government, everyone does there part, everyone gets what they need BUT especially in this country not everyone will ever do their part, and those same people are the ones who will manipulate the system to get more than they need/deserve on top of it leaving me and people like myself to suffer the consequences/the bill. Problem is, Lequisha is not the only one you are paying for. You are paying for you buddies on this board that have no insurance that think they are better than Lequisha that don't have insurance, many of which could probably afford the public option if it is offered. But you buddy goes, **** it, I can afford it but I'd rather buy a new turbo. He wrecks his **** at the track, racks up a bill, and he can't pay it.

As already stated, name 1 goverment agency that's run well/not manipulated/and in the black and I'll consider a national health care option. I see "social" medical care every day in the Army and can tell you it sucks *** and is extremely wasteful. I'm not allowed (in technicality) to buy motrin for a headache, I hve to go to sick call, what do I leave sick call with? A big *** brown paper sack full of all sorts of different drugs that the doctor thought was necessary..do I care? "No, I didn't pay for it" is the mentality of most.

It's early...none of that probably made sense so /rant.

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If you have insurance, you do not pay a penalty so you are not paying for Lequisha. If Lequisha gets the public option and pays at least something, she is paying more than she pays now. Right now she pays absolutly nothing.
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I'm not allowed to be a non-religious, pro-choice, gun toting, constitutional-conservative?
I'm not allowed to be a gun toting, aint my business or the government if you get an aborting sort it out with god, conservative, liberal.
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They really are turning this country into a piece of ****. I think I'm going to get a divorce, have more kids, quit my job, have a slip and fall, and retire.
And then bitch that the country is going to ****.
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