Originally Posted by Garretttttttt
Ball Bearing Turbo
Ball Bearing Turbo An oil restrictor is recommended for optimal performance with ball bearing turbochargers. Oil pressure of 40 - 45 psi at maximum engine speed is recommended to prevent damage to the turbocharger’s internals. In order to achieve this pressure, a restrictor with a 0.040' orifice will normally suffice, but you should always verify the oil pressure entering the turbo after the restrictor in insure that the components are functioning properly. Recommended oil feed is -3AN or -4AN line or hose/tubing with a similar ID. As always, use an oil filter that meets or exceeds the OEM specifications. |
Originally Posted by neogenesis2004
(Post 467222)
You want that restrictor, over oiling a bb turbo will kill it. It has much tighter clearances, and does not use oil flow to cool the center section as much as the water does. This is somewhat in converse to a journal turbo where it needs higher flow to maintain an oil film and oil is used to cool everything.
I found that over-oiling will turn ball bearings from a rolling element bearing to a sliding element (ala journal bearing)...which is bad. If the ball bearings stop "rolling" between their two contact surfaces you're in trouble. The low contact area makes a very poor journal bearing, and they start to wear quickly...regardless of abundant oil supply. It's really a matter of surface pressure really...same forces as in a journal bearing...but much smaller area. Follow the Garrett advice Braineack posted and you should be fine. Journal bearings on the other hand have a minimum pressure which is significant...and luckily often pretty low by design. Once you achieve this minimum pressure there are no other concerns with regard to the bearings. The only reason to put a restrictor in a journal bearing turbo is to prevent blowing oil out of the seals. |
Originally Posted by ZX-Tex
(Post 467235)
Are you sure? I talked this over with both BEGI and ATP Turbo and they both think a restrictor was not needed on my GT2871 (ball bearing).
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I guess I'll call BEGi and have them make a smaller one because I went with a .060 previously. How small should I go on a track car?
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Go with what 0.040" like Garret recommends or a 0.035" like other people have used. It really has nothing to do with if you track your car or not. It has to do solely with oil pressure.
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Originally Posted by neogenesis2004
(Post 467243)
It's your turbo, do what you want. I don't type shit just to exercise my fingers.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 467280)
I guess I'll call BEGi and have them make a smaller one because I went with a .060 previously. How small should I go on a track car?
'Oil pressure of 40 - 45 psi at maximum engine speed is recommended to prevent damage to the turbocharger’s internals.' |
I've been running .035 restrictors for 30k miles on two (three?) different BB turbos. I've never seen a single drop of oil in my charge pipes.
Trey, it might be that heat shield that's getting the EWG hot. I wouldn't worry about it. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 467293)
Trey, it might be that heat shield that's getting the EWG hot. I wouldn't worry about it.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 467293)
I've been running .035 restrictors for 30k miles on two (three?) different BB turbos. I've never seen a single drop of oil in my charge pipes.
Trey, it might be that heat shield that's getting the EWG hot. I wouldn't worry about it. I just shipped everything out so hopefully I'll have this car back on the street next weekend...there went my brake money. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 467297)
there went my brake money.
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Originally Posted by neogenesis2004
(Post 467294)
I don't know that he possesses the ability to not worry about it. Wishful thinking though.
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You won't "kill" a Garrett bb turbo by delivering high oil pressure to it. What this will do is force oil past the seals, which will then find a new home in your IC pipes and/or make for a smokey exhaust.
Once you fit a proper oil inlet restrictor, the smoke gradually goes away, the valdez in the plumbing clears up and all is well. Oh, also, high oil pressure can nullify a bb's low-friction-ness by introducing a bunch of windage. But you won't hurt the bearing. Oil pressure that's too low, sure, that'll kill it. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 467301)
I'm getting better and starting to trust the car after another successful track day.
remember all those posts about having the most reliable track car ever built? |
I run that ATP restrictor too. Turbo wants it.
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Well then fuck me. More misinformation from two sources, including ATP. Maybe I should get a restrictor as well, or call ATP and ask WTF?
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Originally Posted by ZX-Tex
(Post 467310)
Well then fuck me. More misinformation from two sources, including ATP. Maybe I should get a restrictor as well, or call ATP and ask WTF?
Listen to Jkav, he's a turbu guru from Garrett. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 467307)
remember all those posts about having the most reliable track car ever built?
I guess I'll try the .035 |
hustler, I may have missed it but if you not seeing signs of oil getting past the turbo's seals then you're fine with the restrictor size you have.
EDIT: just saw that it smokes on startup. Hmm. I don't know if this is related to the turbo--oil pressure on a cold start isn't that high (relatively speaking) and cold oil is viscous and has a harder time working past the turbine seal. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 467311)
Listen to Jkav, he's a turbu guru from Garrett.
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