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Thanks, this helps. With too much weight over the front tire, do I lose traction at the front or rear? Too much weight in the front in a car means understeer.
I have the Saguaros on now and there is a ton of bite in the tire but it still feels numb, telling me I need to push it.
Too much weight on the front and it lets go. The narrower the the ideal slip angle (road bike), the harder it is to feel and keep right on the limit. Shitty MTB setup will give you bad feedback. Good MTB setup will talk to you, if you pay attention.
On an MTB, don't spend too much mental energy on what your back tire is doing. Focus on putting the front where you want it and getting it weighted properly for best grip.
yes to every thing that was said. Take note of the hip position that bryceland has. Not enough is said about hip position with talking about mountain bike cornering, mostly because it seems intuitive to seasoned riders. I do more riding with my hips on my mtb then I do with my hands.
Find yourself a flat or barely off camber corner that's either grassy or soft because crashing while doing this is a given. Keep going into the corner and lean the bike over as far as you can... keep doing this until the bike washes out (front will almost assuredly go first) and then dial that lean angle back. Then keep at that same corner until leaning the bike over that far becomes intuitive. You'll likely find that your top tube starts conflicting with your calf on your inside leg. This is them remedied by opening up your chest towards corner exit, which will force your hips to point towards your corner exit as well. It should end up feeling like you're pressing the bike down instead of steering it. The fact that the bike is leaned over will force the bike to turn, all you have to do is focus on your front tire and the corner exit at that point.
Brian lopes hits this topic well in this instagram post
There is another rabbit hole on cornering theory that suggests that cornering should be the same mechanics as loading a jump take off but instead leaned over on it's side instead of sending energy up. This is currently championed by Lee MacCormack. It's pretty heady, but thinking of cornering as the same sort of sine waves that enable jumping or bunny hopping allowed me to better understand how critical loading the bikes suspension (or tires if hardtail) right at the corner apex is. No less important then a pre-load if I'm hopping over a log.
Question about cornering on the MTB and maybe the road bike. I realized I've been trying to hit corners using my understanding of car-tyre dynamics like slip angle but now I'm realizing that cornering thrust applies after some reading on moto-x. I don't understand how to read if I need to put more or less weight over the front tire.
You should ask the trainerroad podcast. Maybe they'll have a 3x olympian give his $0.02
But even if they do, there would be better info here on this thread.
Ordering a new Madone SLR 9 Disc frameset with custom Project One paint. Should look sorta like this when I build it.
Metallic gray lower. silver TREK logo, orange trim, bar tape. I'll run D/A Di2 with the D/A power meter cranks. Looking forward to even better aero than my Cervelo S3 Disc and better ride quality.
No external cables = teh sex
Ordering a new Madone SLR 9 Disc frameset with custom Project One paint. Should look sorta like this when I build it.
Metallic gray lower. silver TREK logo, orange trim, bar tape. I'll run D/A Di2 with the D/A power meter cranks. Looking forward to even better aero than my Cervelo S3 Disc and better ride quality.
No external cables = teh sex
A friend is selling this bike for $1700 as is. Dude is a pro mechanic, everything is legit and well maintained. 2018 Cannondale Synapse Alloy, Upgraded full Carbon fork, Sram Force, Cannondale SiSl Cranks, Cannondale Hollowgram Wheels with Dt Swiss 240 rear hub, Enve Stem,Cannondale C1 bar.
Selling my Supersix. Asking $5800
Not many hours on it. Thought I would ride it more.
2018 equivalent model is $10k, a tad heavier and doesn't include a power meter.
2017 Cannondale Supersix Evo Hi Mod 60cm
- Legit Superbike -
13.95 lbs as pictured (Lighter than the 2018 factory Di2 bike)
3T Ergo Nova Carbon 42cm
Shown with zero offset carbon post or 20mm offset carbon optional.
Full R9100 (current gen) Dura-Ace Di2 (NO Ultegra/105 bits)
180mm cranks 52/36T
** Stage left side power meter **
11-30T cassette
Fresh D/A chain (< .25mm wear)
Ridefast Rouleur 3.5 1380g carbon tubeless clinchers
Ridefast titanium quick releases
Schwalbe Pro One Tubeless 25C
Specialized Romin Evo Pro carbon saddle, 155mm
12cm x -17 ° 3T Pro Ergo stem
Beastly fast climbing bike. Built from scratch because I wanted the vulcan green with Di2 that was only available with mechanical Dura Ace. Equivalent 2018 bike is $10k from Cannondale. Super clean cable routing. Setup up with EW-WU111 bar end Di2 port not the janky external box of the 2018 model with cables everywhere. Bluetooth compatible battery. Top buttons on hoods are programmable for Garmin or Di2 functions.Di2 info will display on your computer. Di2 currently tuned for fastest shift speed. Power meter is active. Brakes are moto/euro style, front brake on right. Can be switched by your mechanic, no parts needed. Wheels are modern wide style. Tires measure about 30mm mounted. Bike loves rough roads. Post is uncut so no problem if you run it a lot higher than me. Bars can be raised about 2.5" by flipping stem and spacers. $65 shipping lower 48 states. Frame geometry
Left my house at 4:30AM, got back at 5:45pm. Rode on trails up to about 12,500ft then took the PPHC road up to the top. Was about 22 degrees with a nice 30mph headwind near the top. Descended for a while then did a ton of bushwhacking looking for the old "Historic 1873 Pikes Peak Trail" see map. It's not there anymore. haha
10k gain all above 10k altitude. Jeebus. That should wipe yo out for a few days.
LOL at the avg wattage. Looks like some of my data from high alt gravel races. That'll happen when there is no like, air.
Did you notice the reduction in aero drag up high? Always weirds me out how fast you can go on flat ground at altitude. No air to make watts but also no air to push through. Double edged sword that.
10k gain all above 10k altitude. Jeebus. That should wipe yo out for a few days.
LOL at the avg wattage. Looks like some of my data from high alt gravel races. That'll happen when there is no like, air.
Did you notice the reduction in aero drag up high? Always weirds me out how fast you can go on flat ground at altitude. No air to make watts but also no air to push through. Double edged sword that.
The wattage estimate is worthless when you are hiking as much as pedaling. also- bike weighed about 40 lbs with 2 spare tubes, food and a bluetooth speaker with 80's training montage music playing. haha.
Aero? With a puffy jacket, baggy pants and 30mph headwind about half the guys were walking up the highway on the last pitch to the top of Pikes Peak. I managed to keep pedaling telling myself it was about 1mph faster than walking and I'd get out of the wind faster. brutal.
Yeah- we saw that note but wanted to check it out anyways. Lots of old mining/cog rail building garbage up there in the woods... cans, shovels, buckets etc.
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