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Old 10-21-2009, 02:12 AM   #41
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NA6C, all I have to say is to go find a quiet place away from distractions, then get down on your knees and pray for answers. Even if you aren't sure of how to pray, just talk to God and pour out your heart to Him, even if your innermost thoughts bring you to tears. He may not answer right away, but He will answer. I don't have perfect faith, but I try to live a good life with every day that He gives me.

Here is His most recent reminder that He exists and protects me. This Thursday will be 4 weeks since it happened, hit a 1989 Rodeo hard enough to break his rear axle and total both vehicles after he turned in front of me when I was going about 55. Only injury on me was some busted knuckles on my right hand from where my hand smashed the windshield. I watched the airbag go off and felt the impact of hitting, yet the airbag nor the seat belt ever touched me.

If anyone on here can explain how my hand and body were far enough forward for my hand to smash the windshield but remained untouched by the airbag and seat belt, please feel free to try.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:14 AM   #42
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And yes, that's the radiator pushed back into the inlet pipe, and the wheel/tire was pushed back enough to prevent turning. One good thing is the car starts right up and everything but the radiator was undamaged as far as aftermarket parts are concerned. My Cibie h4 housing wasn't even cracked!!
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Well, we made it a page and a half at least.......
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As far as I am concerned, surviving an accident does not constitute the presence, or assistence thereof, of god or a higher power.
I mean, there is always the argument about "god preventing the accident in the first place". You may have suffered no bodily harm, but your wallet will surely be sore for a while.
Not to mention all the trouble, effort, energy, and resources you have put into modifying your car.

I am an atheist.
Not just the reactionary variety, but a hard core, methodical one.

There are several important, yet basic rules to follow to live a decent and full life.

* Taking responsibility for your actions.
* Taking all that happens around you within the realm of "cause and effect"
* Brutal honesty to yourself.
* Doing good for the sake of doing good - to yourself, others, animals, and the world you live in.
* Not expecting anything to be served you on a silver platter, and learning and working for what you want.

We are all carbon based life forms. We die, all circuits go dead, that's it. The rest is decomposition.

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Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life"



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I kinda prefer...

"Over-thinking, over-analyzing seperates the body from the mind."

Apply that to anything and it will become either a rational thought process with the ability to make sense or something unbelieveably and utterly insane.
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NA6C, all I have to say is to go find a quiet place away from distractions, then get down on your knees and pray for answers. Even if you aren't sure of how to pray, just talk to God and pour out your heart to Him, even if your innermost thoughts bring you to tears. He may not answer right away, but He will answer. I don't have perfect faith, but I try to live a good life with every day that He gives me.

Here is His most recent reminder that He exists and protects me. This Thursday will be 4 weeks since it happened, hit a 1989 Rodeo hard enough to break his rear axle and total both vehicles after he turned in front of me when I was going about 55. Only injury on me was some busted knuckles on my right hand from where my hand smashed the windshield. I watched the airbag go off and felt the impact of hitting, yet the airbag nor the seat belt ever touched me.

If anyone on here can explain how my hand and body were far enough forward for my hand to smash the windshield but remained untouched by the airbag and seat belt, please feel free to try.
Someone asked what faith was. This is the true definition of faith. A challenge was raised "If anyone on here can explain how my hand and body were...", but I somehow doubt that any explanation would be sufficient to convince you that God did not intervene here. I have no faith and only see a car wreck. You have faith and you see a miracle. I could argue with you for hours about this one event but neither of our minds would be changed. Interesting...



Oh, here's mine. I hit an F250 that pulled out in front of me. I had no injuries at all but my wedding band was bent so badly that I had to wear it on my pinkie:
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You can believe in God without believing the dogma of religion. You can worship God without buying into a particular faith or sect. My biggest problem with religions in general is the absolute belief that theirs is the only way. Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddist, Judiasm, etc. Every last one believes they have the only answers. Huge turn off to most people. One of the reasons there is a significant rebellion against organized religion.

My personal belief is more agnostic. I believe there may be a higher power in the world but no way for us to truly know or understand it. I view each religion as having value and as an attempt by men to sort out the meaning of life, God, higher powers and give societies morality. All religious writings, if truly inspired by a god, were written by men and are therefore flawed and influenced by the society of the time. Organized religion and their condemnation of other religions is far too small minded.

Have faith, don't have "religion".
Coming to the thread late and reading all the responses, Cueball summed up my thoughts and saved some typing.
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Here is His most recent reminder that He exists and protects me. This Thursday will be 4 weeks since it happened, hit a 1989 Rodeo hard enough to break his rear axle and total both vehicles after he turned in front of me when I was going about 55. Only injury on me was some busted knuckles on my right hand from where my hand smashed the windshield. I watched the airbag go off and felt the impact of hitting, yet the airbag nor the seat belt ever touched me.

If anyone on here can explain how my hand and body were far enough forward for my hand to smash the windshield but remained untouched by the airbag and seat belt, please feel free to try.
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Oh, here's mine. I hit an F250 that pulled out in front of me. I had no injuries at all but my wedding band was bent so badly that I had to wear it on my pinkie:

A few years a back a newer Monte Carlo turned infront of me. I was doing about 55 in a 98 Hyundai Elantra. Airbag deployed, spun me around about 90 degrees. I walked away unscathed. Few scratchs, small bump on my knee. The airbag didnt even bend my glasses. As I said before I have been an Atheist for more then 10 years, there was nothing there that made me believe God was involved. But I am damn sure if I know Im going to be in a car accident again I want to be in a Hyundai.

I had bent the Monte to the point where they couldnt open the doors to get the driver out. The front license plate on my car had become one piece with the bumper. (but the CD player survived and is in my Miata)
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I'm an athiest and my car is not smashed at all. I have faith in my ability to drive defensively.

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<true story> I was pulling away from a stoplight in my '90 when an 18 wheeler ran through his redlight going 55+ mph. I slammed the brakes on and he swerved slightly running over the front of my car, peeling the hood and front fender off, smashing up the radiator and flatspotting both front wheels from impact. Car spun around twice and I banged my head on the the hardtop. Walked away with 10 stitches to my head and that's it.</true story>

God was nowhere to be seen. I think Jesus might have been driving the truck though. Probably talking to God on his cell phone.
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<true story> I was pulling away from a stoplight in my '90 when an 18 wheeler ran through his redlight going 55+ mph. I slammed the brakes on and he swerved slightly running over the front of my car, peeling the hood and front fender off, smashing up the radiator and flatspotting both front wheels from impact. Car spun around twice and I banged my head on the the hardtop. Walked away with 10 stitches to my head and that's it.</true story>

God was nowhere to be seen. I think Jesus might have been driving the truck though. Probably talking to God on his cell phone.
"Jesus Christ! Get the Escalade, we're outta here!"
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I'm an athiest and my car is not smashed at all. I have faith in my ability to drive defensively.
Exactly. I say "amen" to that.

On another note, is an athiest the same as an atheist?
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I'm an athiest and my car is not smashed at all. I have faith in my ability to drive defensively.

As Above, so Below.
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Further evidence that their is a god. Your 6UL's look to have come out ok in the wreck! I would be thanking god when I saw that afterward.
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When it comes to religion I like to pray to the Constitution, and pray that it protects me from the religious zealots who've adapted the interpretation of their fairy tale into convenience to form an army of financier-voters who want to rope me in to their horse-**** lives for a sense of accomplishment to convert me into financing their debauchery. Sadly, the psycho Muslims have it "right" with the literal interpretation of their religious documents. If you're watering it down by not stoning each other, killing non-christians, and discounting the old-testament because its inconvenient then well, you belong in your incantation of hell.
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Sadly, the psycho Muslims have it "right" with the literal interpretation of their religious documents.
Which literal interpretation would you use. The bible is chocked full of contradictions. My favorite question to ask bible thumpers is how many of each animal were taken onto the ark (since everyone has heard that story). I love the blank stare they give you when you tell them there were SEVEN (well, SIX plus ONE to sacrifice) and not TWO. I've found that most Christians don't read the bible either <G>.

As far as stoning of non-Christians, the bible also says you should be stoned to death for working on Sunday. It will be interesting when we start that practice again. Wonder what would happen if you used that in court as an excuse for murder. I'm currently serving (have almost finished up my first year - hopefully will not have to serve the second year) on my county's grand jury. They make it quite a big deal if you put the wrong hand on the bible when they swear you in. I doubt they would agree if people actually started following what it says in that book.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:28 PM   #57
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As far as I am concerned, surviving an accident does not constitute the presence, or assistence thereof, of god or a higher power.
I mean, there is always the argument about "god preventing the accident in the first place". You may have suffered no bodily harm, but your wallet will surely be sore for a while.
Not to mention all the trouble, effort, energy, and resources you have put into modifying your car.

I am an atheist.
Not just the reactionary variety, but a hard core, methodical one.

There are several important, yet basic rules to follow to live a decent and full life.

* Taking responsibility for your actions.
* Taking all that happens around you within the realm of "cause and effect"
* Brutal honesty to yourself.
* Doing good for the sake of doing good - to yourself, others, animals, and the world you live in.
* Not expecting anything to be served you on a silver platter, and learning and working for what you want.

We are all carbon based life forms. We die, all circuits go dead, that's it. The rest is decomposition.

As Maynard* says,
"This is necessary.
Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life"



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My wallet is actually smiling, I have a good relationship with my insurance company and they gave me more than the car is worth, enough to buy another decent Miata with some left over. The modifications can be swapped over in a weekend in my garage with air tools, plus I enjoy tinkering with my cars.

You still didn't explain how my face/upper torso could be inches from the steering wheel, yet the airbag didn't even touch me?? But holy crap, that is one funky smell when it goes off!!
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Someone asked what faith was. This is the true definition of faith. A challenge was raised "If anyone on here can explain how my hand and body were...", but I somehow doubt that any explanation would be sufficient to convince you that God did not intervene here. I have no faith and only see a car wreck. You have faith and you see a miracle. I could argue with you for hours about this one event but neither of our minds would be changed. Interesting...



Oh, here's mine. I hit an F250 that pulled out in front of me. I had no injuries at all but my wedding band was bent so badly that I had to wear it on my pinkie:
This recent accident was simply His guiding hand helping me out. My greatest miracle happened 10.5 years ago when I rolled a Talon 6.5 times over a stretch of 534 feet and am still alive even after the doctors said I shouldn't be.
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This recent accident was simply His guiding hand helping me out. My greatest miracle happened 10.5 years ago when I rolled a Talon 6.5 times over a stretch of 534 feet and am still alive even after the doctors said I shouldn't be.
Are you LDS?
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