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Old 01-25-2008, 01:59 PM   #41
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DOES ANYONE ELSE NOTICE? Again this has turned into the mentality of ONE ISSUE voters.

What is THE ONE biggest issues that will affect THE MOST OF US?

It's the economy, stupid!

I want to show that this plan is the real deal, (not some bullshit "stimulate spending" plan), and then one issue voter people come out and attack the man instead of the plan.

This ONE ISSUE VOTER mentality seems to be a method of DIVIDE AND CONQUER. Get the country divided into two groups with each group seemingly arbitrarily siding on various LESS IMPORTANT issues.....
No there were 3 issues brought up that still haven't been justified, you just tell me I am wrong.

And again PUTTING THINS IN CAPS doesnt make it wrong.

If there was a canidate for everything i believed except he wanted to exterminate the jews.

I would be a one issue voter.
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If there were no taxes on individual wages, no gift and inheritance taxes, guess what, the government would have nothing to do with any marriage worth worrying about!
You didn't answer my question.
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Do you file jointly on your tax returns? Do one of you fall under the health insurance of the other? Is she your next of Kin?
Re: health insurance covering a spouse, - that's a decision of the company providing the benefit, not the gov't.

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. Government is WAY too intrusive and should GET OUT OF OUR DAILY LIVES. No taxes on wages, no taxes on gifts and inheritance. Then they would have NO BUSINESS meddling in domestic partnerships or marriages of any sort.
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Like I said, you have a very naive view of the history of American imperialism. I posted a link for you to read.
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DOES ANYONE ELSE NOTICE? Again this has turned into the mentality of ONE ISSUE voters.

What is THE ONE biggest issues that will affect THE MOST OF US?

It's the economy, stupid!

I want to show that this plan is the real deal, (not some bullshit "stimulate spending" plan), and then one issue voter people come out and attack the man instead of the plan.

This ONE ISSUE VOTER mentality seems to be a method of DIVIDE AND CONQUER. Get the country divided into two groups with each group seemingly arbitrarily siding on various LESS IMPORTANT issues.....
Please.

I'll say again, passing the buck to states is not a policy. There are a bazillion issues that I'm concerned about and Ron Paul does nothing to address them. You're basically telling me that when the economy get's "fixed", every other socioeconomic policy I concerned about will suddenly vanish too.
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Please.

I'll say again, passing the buck to states is not a policy. There are a bazillion issues that I'm concerned about and Ron Paul does nothing to address them. You're basically telling me that when the economy get's "fixed", every other socioeconomic policy I concerned about will suddenly vanish too.
Thank god I am not alone
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You guys are so brainwashed by the media... you prefer that the current welfare-warfare state is perpetuated, and let the economy tank, and lose our civil liberties,
and vote for a candidate just because he or she says "I will give gay marriage the same status as hetero marriage" ?
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Like I said, you have a very naive view of the history of American imperialism. I posted a link for you to read.
I read your link, again nothing new. There are ignorant countries and the US takes advantage of them. Whats the surprised here?

"Basically what we were trained to do and what our job is to do is to build up the American empire. To bring—to create situations where as many resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our government, and in fact we’ve been very successful."

Absurd. We should definitely stop this.
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Why are people more worried about ******* gay marriage, and abortion rights. Isn't there more important issues we should be focusing on? Like the state of our economy. Our independence on other countries to keep our economy from spinning out of control. I could ******* care less if two people of the same sex wanna get married. Legally people have left money through inheritance to their ******* pets. You can insure anything marriage doesn't have much to do with it.
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You guys are so brainwashed by the media... you prefer that the current welfare-warfare state is perpetuated, and let the economy tank, and lose our civil liberties,
and vote for a candidate just because he or she says "I will give gay marriage the same status as hetero marriage" ?
And foreign policy, you keep either changin the topic of leaving out important aspects.

Yes were all brainwashed fools cause we dont agree with you.
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You guys are so brainwashed by the media... you prefer that the current welfare-warfare state is perpetuated, and let the economy tank, and lose our civil liberties,
and vote for a candidate just because he or she says "I will give gay marriage the same status as hetero marriage" ?
And there it is.

I've just been pigeonholed because of what I believe by somebody who couldn't even begin to understand my beliefs.

WTG. Now I'm convinced that Ron Paul's a douchebag.
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Please.

I'll say again, passing the buck to states is not a policy.
10th Amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

You guys are so brainwashed you are continually operating under the assumption that BIG GOVERNMENT needs to pass policy on EVERYTHING and regulate EVERYTHING in our daily lives.

One of the Constitution's basic precepts is that government protects inalienable individual rights. The size of government is inversely proportional to individual freedom. Individuals should be able to do as they please as long as they don't violate any rights of others.

The USA is not a democracy and is NOT supposed to be one. The word "democracy" is not mentioned ONCE in the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence. A democracy is simply majority-ism, where the majority can impose its will on the minority. For example, that 51% can vote that weed is illegal. In a republic of small government and individual rights, the individual can grow and smoke weed in the privacy of his own home.
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Why are people more worried about ******* gay marriage, and abortion rights. Isn't there more important issues we should be focusing on? Like the state of our economy. Our independence on other countries to keep our economy from spinning out of control. I could ******* care less if two people of the same sex wanna get married. Legally people have left money through inheritance to their ******* pets. You can insure anything marriage doesn't have much to do with it.
I care about civil liberties.

The economy will work itself out. The only issue i have is the endemic inflation that will come out of this
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WTG. Now I'm convinced that Ron Paul's a douchebag.
Fine. Now tell me why a simple "have Helicopter Bernanke print more money and give it to the peons to stimulate spending" is better than Ron Paul's plan.
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You guys are so brainwashed you are continually operating under the assumption that BIG GOVERNMENT needs to pass policy on EVERYTHING and regulate EVERYTHING in our daily lives.

You are the adult version of a Highschool music snob, who keeps saying that people are brainwashed and just don't get it. .

and let me just say this, "We get it, it still sucks"
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Fine. Now tell me why a simple "have Helicopter Bernanke print more money and give it to the peons to stimulate spending" is better than Ron Paul's plan.
Cause ron paul's plan will ruin foreign countries for the next 50-100 years at least
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What percentage of the US population is employed, directly or indirectly, by the Federal Government? When you cut off the flow of money, what's going to happen to them?

I'm all for Libertarian policy, and already have my vote for Paul ready to go in the mail (fat lot of good it will do in CA). But it's naive and short sighted to think you can just carpet bomb the Federal Government and its spending.
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Fine. Now tell me why a simple "have Helicopter Bernanke print more money and give it to the peons to stimulate spending" is better than Ron Paul's plan.
Your one issue. Not mine.
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Ron Paul's existence (and bumper stickers) may be fun for all the whiners, but when it comes down to the final vote, he'll just be a waste of a ballot. This is the way the system works. You can talk about him all you want, but after Super Tuesday, he'll be about as useful as Ross Perot (19% of popular in '92? guess what? ZERO electoral college votes, ZERO presence on political radar since '96, a waste of at LEAST $55 million dollars and 5 years of his life).

i'm a fiscal conservative, but i ain't voting this year. republicans are gonna lose it so it's: obama or hillary... geezus H christ. lemme think, do i want a fancy law prof from UofChicago w/ zilch political experience or a BIATCH of a woman who reminds me of my mother?
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The Four-Point Plan

1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.
2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.
3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.
4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.
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If there were no taxes on individual wages, no gift and inheritance taxes, guess what, the government would have nothing to do with any marriage worth worrying about!

Let me get this straight. No taxes on corporations, no taxes on individuals. I don't know about you, but I'm kind of a fan of roads, mail, electricity, the FDA... I like not having lead in my food, knowing that even if I left my wallet at home I can still get from point A to point B.....

The interesting thing about not taxing the rich (and yes, "working seniors" is already handled if they NEED the money - people making what desperate seniors make already pay low taxes. But, like the CEO's and Chairpeople of the world, who are raking in millions upon millions while they sit home polishing their golf *****, they need that money for....? A better golf ball polisher, I guess.) is it doesn't really change their lifestyle. What is getting produced with "savings"? Nothing. You move the slider over a bit for who has the limited money there is.

I don't see any reason to keep printing money. But money changing hands does something.

I have a cattle farm. You tell me I can buy bonds or stocks, etc, and make more money than if I raised cattle? So, I lay off my employees, and they have no money. There's no cattle produced, so the cost of living goes up for everyone, since a free market will see a shortage in supply. So, this savings has benefited who?

Now, let's try it the other way: I raise cattle, pay my farm hands. The price of beef goes down, the standard of living goes up. My hands now have money in their pockets, and spend money buying bread and other such products, in turn employing others in those markets. And with the extra money, some nice items are bought, perhaps a stained glass window or a swimming pool. So now the world is richer by one swimming pool.

The other way the world is richer in rhetoric. Sweet.
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