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Old 01-25-2008, 02:37 PM   #61
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We should start a thread on approval voting. Changing the voting system would be the biggest, most useful change you could make in politics, aside from removing riders of all sorts from the lawmaking process.
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I care about civil liberties.

The economy will work itself out. The only issue i have is the endemic inflation that will come out of this
"Civil liberties is the name given to freedoms that protect the individual from government to a certain extent. Civil liberties set limits for government so that it cannot abuse its power and interfere with the lives of its citizens."

If you care about Civil liberties then wouldn't you want the government to let people decide for themselves?

The Economy will work itself out after we print more money. Because printing more money fixes everything.... Remember back in the day when our dollar was worth more than the Canadian dollar?


Anyway, there are more important issues that people need to worry about then the right of 2 people of the same sex to be able to file joint on their taxes.
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:39 PM   #63
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I don't know about you, but I'm kind of a fan of roads, mail, electricity, the FDA...
Roads are paid for by the gas tax, mail should be opened to competition like Fedex, we should pay for the electricity we use, and the FDA is screwing us.
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Roads are paid for by the gas tax, mail should be opened to competition like Fedex, we should pay for the electricity we use, and the FDA is screwing us.

Well since you put it that way..... :fm:
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"Civil liberties is the name given to freedoms that protect the individual from government to a certain extent. Civil liberties set limits for government so that it cannot abuse its power and interfere with the lives of its citizens."

If you care about Civil liberties then wouldn't you want the government to let people decide for themselves?

The Economy will work itself out after we print more money. Because printing more money fixes everything.... Remember back in the day when our dollar was worth more than the Canadian dollar?


Anyway, there are more important issues that people need to worry about then the right of 2 people of the same sex to be able to file joint on their taxes.
If you say so. I would love to have people decide for ourselves. Unfortunately thats not what RP is for
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Ok, less rhetoric. Point blank:

Tell me how rich people saving money is better than poor people spending. How is saving better than the profit driving being in producing goods?
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If you care about Civil liberties then wouldn't you want the government to let people decide for themselves?
Because people have made such wonderful decisions?

There must be an arbiter to help decide when the civil liberties of some infringe upon the civil liberties of others. This sometimes requires the Constitution to be interpreted or amended. Call me a pessimist but if we left every interpretation to the states, there might still be places where blacks are 3/4 of a person, women couldn't vote, and witches were stoned.
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Take any group, put them in horrible living conditions and see what happens. Germany? were they religious fanatics? No. Its when people get desperate enough and are only fed propaganda
I disagree, citing it as something more than desperation. However, that is a discussion better served over some drinks than a keyboard.
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I disagree, citing it as something more than desperation. However, that is a discussion better served over some drinks than a keyboard.
I agree
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Because people have made such wonderful decisions?

There must be an arbiter to help decide when the civil liberties of some infringe upon the civil liberties of others. This sometimes requires the Constitution to be interpreted or amended. Call me a pessimist but if we left every interpretation to the states, there might still be places where blacks are 3/4 of a person, women couldn't vote, and witches were stoned.
Your worried about "The south rising again" aren't you.
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Ok, less rhetoric. Point blank:
Tell me how rich people saving money is better than poor people spending. How is saving better than the profit driving being in producing goods?
I'm with you there. Savings just gives money to the TLC and the banks that are going to own EVERYTHINGSSSSSS .

I'd still like to know what percentage of the US population gets their paycheck from Uncle Sam.
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The thing that sucks the most about all of this is that I agree with a little bit of everything said both in this thread and by the current candidates. The downside is that the same candidates that I agree with on a few very important topics (to me), I disagree with on a few more important topics. Politics in this country have become a no win situation for me. It doesn't matter who is elected to the house or senate (who actually make **** happen) or the presidency (useless figure head in most cases), I will never be satisfied with more than 50% of their choices.

It seems like the character, intelligence, and relevant experience of candidates for ALL political offices has taken a drastic swing in the wrong direction in the last 40-50 years. And that swing is being made very evident in the current state of our country both domestic and abroad.

The only way that this could ever change would be through the support of a candidate who is truly "in-tune" with the majority of our citizens regardless of part affiliation (which they probably wouldn't have since these types of people are rarely supported anymore). We as citizens need to start standing up and changing the country our selves. Most people that actually vote only do so in the presidential campaign. The sad thing is that the local and state elections have a far larger impact.
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Your worried about "The south rising again" aren't you.
Nah. I'd be more worried about the Bible Belt, if "worry" about the implication of any particular state's legislation is the correct term. That's actually more of a reason not to give the current administration more power.
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Because people have made such wonderful decisions?
And a bureaucrat in Washington can make better decisions for each and every one of us?
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Everyone knows that lobbyists help them make their decisions anyways.... That makes them better than normal people. Because they get perks for their decisions
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Here's a good page showing government expansion. They now directly control 45% of GDP! That's close to the socialist countries of Europe!
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/piechart.htm

Thomas Jefferson has warned that government power tends to concentrate and grow; that individual freedom is inversely proportional to government power; and that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

Here's an explanation of how central banking and the system of printing money has risen partly out of government's desire to grow in size and scope:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...21786905609611
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There must be an arbiter to help decide when the civil liberties of some infringe upon the civil liberties of others. This sometimes requires the Constitution to be interpreted or amended.
Comment on this then Jason. Obviously, I'm not talking about Bureucracts as much as I 'm talking about arbitors of Constitutional law outside of the states.
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there is one huge problem with us trying to help the middle east. There will always be civil war and war over religion. My religions class went really deeply into this. The biggest problem isn't over the land anymore(it is a key point), but both parties believe they are fighting a "holy" war and only during a "holy" war will their savior come. What is really fucked up about the whole ****, the savior for both people... is the same ******* person.

So it doesn't matter if we send soldier or not, there will always be war over there and we as a group should not get involved with the war. It should be like WW2, we should have stayed out until someone attacked us... btw I am talking about before the gulf war.
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What are you talking about? Your religions class sucked.
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I'm still waiting to see an explanation of how giving rich people money to sit on helps the economy.



I saw more "vote for bush" stickers in the trailer park than I did anywhere else. It's the classic problem of the conservatives: How do you get the majority of the population to vote for an economic package that hurts them overall, obviously and strongly.


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The only way that this could ever change would be through the support of a candidate who is truly "in-tune" with the majority of our citizens regardless of part affiliation (which they probably wouldn't have since these types of people are rarely supported anymore).
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30639
The Majority doesn't agree. With America.



Final note: Everything I see for Ron Paul is clever marketing without a scrap of information about who he is or what he does. It's all smiles and where-I-grew-up stuff. Marketing scares me in products, and it scares me in people. If you've got something worth saying, say it.
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